HomeMy WebLinkAboutAgenda - 11-11-2002-5ORANGE COUNTY
BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS
ACTION AGENDA ITEM ABSTRACT
Meeting Date: November 11, 2002
Actlan Agenda
Item No. ~_
SUBJECT: ConsWtlion Management
DEPARTMENT: Pu¢hasing antl Central Services PUBLIC HEARING: (YIN) 0
ATTACHMENT(BI: INFORMATION CONTACT:
Pem Jones (919) 245-2852
Memgrentlum from June 11, 2002
Work session on the same topic TELEPHONE NUMBERS:
HIIlsborougM1 ]52~81at
CM1apel Hill 8681501
OuMam 688-]351
Mebane 33682]-2031
PURPOSE: To consltler wnslruction management antl how 8 may fl into projects cgnstrude0 by
Orange County.
BACKGROUND: The egaM has lxeviously tliawssetl the merits of retainingaconslmctlon
manage for County protects. TM1e aHachetl material explores how 1n'rs might be acwmplishetl.
FINANCIAL IMPACT: Finandal impact would be evaluatetl at such Bme lhatapreMretl approach
rs cited.
RECOMMENDATION(S): The Manager rewmmentls that the BgaM receive the information antl
provide tlirection to stag regartl'mg now II desires to pursue proleH management.
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Memorandum
To. County Commissioners
From: Pam Jones. Director of Purchasing antl Central Services
RE: Construction Management br County-FUntletl Projects
Date'. June 4, 2002
The Boats has previously requestetl that information regaNing wnatmction management
options for County-fundetl projects be provided. The attachetl information is provitletl so
that it may be consitlered in the mntext of projects being consitleretl as part of the 2002-
2012 Capital Investment Plan.
The attachetl packet of information includes the following information fir wnsitleretion
tluring the butlget work session an June 11, 2002
1. The list of potential tasks fora construction manager
2. Apoten[ial selection process fora construction manager
3. June 30, 1999 meeting documents: (Proposetl a contract with PES, a consulting
him, to VE 2 schools, Smith Middle antl Pathways Elementary)
a. The abstract, which inGudes a Scepe of Work statement from PES, the
recommandetl value engineering firm; and
b. Minutes
i. Note: BOCC action wes ro nct endorse the PES contract that would
have provided value engineering to Smith Mitltlle School antl
Pathways Elementary Schools. The rest was $39,295 per school;
antl
ii. To pursue"phase two'of value engineering (the result was CEFI)
4. December ~, 1999 meeting documents: (Cost Eficient Facilities Indiatives (CEFI)
report wes given at This meeting.
s. The abstract, which inclutlatl the CEFI report
b. Minutes
I. Note: The BOCG approvetl the CEFI concept and instructed the that
this discussion should be heltl with the Schaal BoaNa s[[he Joint
meeting on December 13, 1999.
5. December 13, 1999 Join[ BOCCISChool Boartl meeting (CEFI tliscussetl)
s. Minutes
I. Note: No reference to decisions by me BpaM
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Potential tasks of a wnsYmction manager (GM):
The construction manager (GM) woultl:
1. Be retained prior to the design mnsuliant being selected.
2. Participate in the selection of the design consulfanf team.
a. Coordinate with Purchasing Dlrec[orto negotiate design firm inntraa.
3. Contluc[all meetings amongthe stakeholders and the design firm during the
design formulation process.
4. Review drawings preparetl bythe designers and suggest mptlificationsl
alternatives that might be more economicallylfunctionay advantageous to tie
County. Design modifications would be bsaetl on a life cycle cos[ analysis to the
etlant practicable.
5. Prepareantl/or cooMinata wRh tlesigner to prepare information neetletl for
regulatory approvals.
s. Attend meetings as may be required in the regulatory approval process.
6. Review consWC[ion bitls antl wortlinates with Purchasing Director to prepare
ward materials for Board approval.
7. Prepare wnstruction contracts for contractors.
During constmdion Me GM will:
8. Provide intensive on-site daily observation for [he amount of time appropriate for
the stage of innstmction. Far example. the GM woultl need to be on site at all
times during periods when inncrete is being pouretl, stmctural steel is being set,
etc., but may not need [o be on ske a hours per tlay during a period where they
are painting walls or laying carpet. As a mle of thumb, they should be on ske
anytime the work being accomplishetl will not ix directly observable by the next
woBtley.
9. CM would observe methods and means of conatmdion antl inordinate wl[h the
tlesigner to wrest any deficiencies. Nate: Itwillbeimpprtanitoensureawell-
defined reporting protocol for these Instances to minimize wnFlict among [he
various parties.
10. CM represents the county at all wns[mc[ion ralatetl meetings between tlesigner
and wntractors.
11.GM maintains all project ralatetl recoMS; e.g. cast, schedule, etc.
12. Handles requests for change oMers.
13. Reviews and approves all shop drawings.
14. Provides "clerk of the works' function, Le. is the know all person on the project,
familiar wbh all aspects.
15.Provides monthly repads to the County, identifying ell rsRical project
components antl Neir status (e.g. wsVSChetlule, predicting "bumps in the road",
etc).
There are a lo[ of detail tasks far which the CM would also be responsible, but we
can develop those when the decision is made to move PorwaN.
A potential selection process for retaining the CM could ba as follows:
1. A scope of work for the CM is developed, inclutling those tasks listetl above, as
wall as others that will be obtained through various comments from the Board
and others.
2. An RFP is prepared and interested firms are solbited. (AS I untlerstand d, there
are many firms now interested in this type of work, particulatly in view of the
recent legislative changes in Purchasing Laws, eRective January 1, 2002.)
3. A saleUion team representing et least the following'mterests is formetl:
a. County Commissioner
b. Purchasing Director
c. An architect"
tl. A contractor"`
"These representatives would be able to ask Questions entl pose situations
that the CM woultl be expelled to deal with on site. They would be able to
raise issues with which the County stag antl Commissioners have limited
experience. Their expertise would also be valuable in assessing the answers
given by [he potential CM cantlitlates.
4. The resulting recommendation woultl be presented to the full BOCC for
consideration.
5. The CM woultl be hired on a project-by-project basis to ensure that the County
hatl access to the best skill set needed for a specific job.
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ORANGE COUNTY
BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS
ACTION ADENDA ITEM ABSTRACT
Mee[inB Oaten June 3o, 1999
Action Agenda
Item No. B-d
SUBJECT: Value Enpinee0ng Consultant Selection
DEPARTMENT: Purchasirg 8 Cenhal Services PUBLIC HEPRINO: (YIN) ~o__]
ATTACHMENTIS): INFORMATION CONTACT:
John Link, extension 2300
Swpe of work statement hom PES Paul Thames, extension 2300
Cost DroDOSaI Pem Jones, eztension 2652
TELEPHONE NUMBERS:
Hillsborough 132A181
Chapel Hill 888-0501
Ourbam 668-]331
Mebane 33822]3031
PURPOSE: To consider authorizing COUnry staff to complete negotiations on an agreement with
Pacific Environmental Services (PES) to wnduct construdibiliry reviews for Nup schppls: and to
endorse a sewnd phase of the seleUipn pmmae for a value engineering 5rm.
BACKGROUND: The desire of the County Commissioners to gain ballet control of rewurces
elated wlO wnsbuctipn of County arq school faglihe615 well tlommenled. Value
Brig nearing was identified ass pplandal answer to this Issue. As dari0wtion. value engmeedng is
a process whereby each and every aspect of a pmjed Is reviewed by an unbiased Mlyd pally, in
wllaboretlon with the other key players, such as the designer and school andlor County personnel.
In oMar [o ensure that value-engineering resoumes were available for the school projecs during
the summer, the selection panel wen[ through an intensive process wuh sVident hme constraints to
bringforwaNarecommentlalion for Board mnsidemtlon. The aeleclipn prowss was enlightening
end bmughl new perspective about what a whole value-engineering program should be and what
could be expected of a Dropedy carried out program. The interviewing wnaultante suppoded what
we have heats before, value engineering Is most ehec0ve with it Is begun early in project
Oevelopmenl.
Since bltltling for the middle school pmjed in Chapel HIII and the elementary school in Orange
County is imminent, these projects could no[ experience the lull benefit of value engineering.
It the Commissioners desire to pursue any functional elements of value engineering for
these two pmjacia, it Is remmmentletl that [he Board consider retaining Pacific
Environmental Services (PES) to conduct mnstruc1ibility reviews for [he Orojects. Though
note total value engineering process, cpnslrudlbility reviews in these two projects can
yield signifcant beneh[s, amortling to PES. The scope of work for the construdibility
review is attached far your informa8on. It would involve intensive review work for one
week and would Pocus on items that would require minimum design change, but where
signifcant cost savings could be ezpedad. Atltlilionally, the consuhant indicates that this
process floe-ranee the specifications, [hereby avoitling wnflicts with contractors when
consimc[ion begins. This In [urn prevents many change ortlers tluring the project. As you
are well aware, change ortlere are usually costly antl can atltl significant time tp a project.
The wnstmc[ibility review woultl therefore minimize the entity's exposure to law suits antl
claims for atltliticnal money after [he project is comple[etl.
The cast gm[etl died by PES fortMS work is $39,295 per schocl. Although the cost is signigcant
PE3 Intlicates Thal each project will easily surpass the fee In the amount save0 on the project antl
it will provitle a goob benchmark for us to more fully understand the benefits ci the value
engineering prccess. A wmplete repcd tletailing 0a substance W Ne eaNngs will be provltletl by
PEB al the antl of Uia review process.
We believe that there are other firms who we may want to wnsitler In terms of the long term value
engineering pmgrzm established for County antl smool Drojects. Because of Ne ambitious
schatlula in which Ne selection Docess was cartied cut, it is possible that there are ether value-
engineering frtnswho might respond to our request rfihe timefreme were to be eMentled. It seems
prudent Merefore that a secontl assessment Danel be convened In late summerearly fall to
consider the resuns of a secontl sollcitalion.
Assuming that the Bpam approves this Dlan to acquire value¢ngineering services, it is fudher
rewmmentletl Ihat Me Manager communicate to the SuDerintentlend the Boards tlesire to see
value engineering lnmrywatetl into the earliest stages of tlevelopment for any school. TNS woultl
ba particularly Imppdanl as it respects the tlesign development of the new high school for the
Orange County system.
FINANCIAL IMPACT' II is recammendetl that funds b cover costs for this work be eppropris[etl
from $chool Capital Pmjed Fund Balance. Potential project savings will offset the cost of Mls
appropriation.
RECOMMENOATIDN(St: TM1e Manager recommends that the BOaN autlror've County staff to
complete negotiedona on an agreement wiN Pacific Environmental Services 1p contluct
mnstrudibllity reviews for two scMOls. whose rotal cost shall not exreetl $]8,59D; auMpdze the
Manager to sign the resulting agree ant; to entlorse a sewntl phase of the selection prccess for a
engineering firm; and m tlired the Manager to communicate to the School SupeMtentlents,
iheuBOard's lntendons fcrvalue engineering on future school protects.
3COP60['WORK
ORANGE COUNTY, NC
CONSTRUCTABILITY REVIEWNALUE REVIEW
A Ccnstmdability Review (GR)Nalue Review (VRj will be cpntluMetl by Pecifc
Environmental Services (PES) on the Flnal tlesign antl shall consist of one team study by a
multi-disciplined[eam of professionals meeting on consecutive work days. Thetaem
(hereinafter referretl is as the CRT) will contluct a constmctebility review, concentrating on
the apProPriateness of [he design tlocumenffi, basetl on the proposed materials, project
location, antl curtent sYantlertl consimction practices, as well as an abbreviated value
review where alternatives will be presented for considaretion by the design team that
enhance overall vaWe cn a life cycle basis (LCC).
The CRT will provitle specipc recommendations for changes to contract tlocuments
to Improve wnsW c+ability, retluce cost wRhou! deteriorating quality or functicn and meet
or exceed special scheduling requiremenffi. The CRT shall accomplish the following.
When observed, the team will:
a. identify coMlic[s and ambiguities between drawings, plans, and specihcations;
b. itlentify retlundant or exceasivetechnical or atlministrative requirements;
c. itlentiy specifications or details that require further clarrficatbn;
d. suggest substitution Of simplibetl wnstmaion tleteils, more common
construction materials cr products;
e. propose value suggestions substituting equipment, materials, or tlesign
modifications for consideration by [he tlesign team; antl
f. identify special concerns and potential problem areas.
The services shall be performed by an indepentlen[team of professionals, separate
and completely intlependen[from the original tlesign team. The GRT Shall be compotey
of persons having professional engineeringlarohitectural registration, antl all shell have a
minimum of 5 years post registmticn experience in tlesign, constmction atlministration, or
estimating. The typical team makeup will include'.
a. Team LeaderlCVS-Professional Engineer
b. Architect
c. Struduml Engineer
tl. Mechanical Engineer
e. Electrical Engineer
f. Construction Estimator
g. Construction AtlministratoliCOnirector
h. Patlicipatbn of Constluclion Manager supplied by the COUnry of Orange
Once a Erul schebtde is catabGehed; a Gst oftenm members and Ineir respective tesunes
represenrivg the venous disciplines to be oovcred shell be enbtsdned Por vppmvul.
Prior to wtmnenoing a emdg Omuge Coovry will Porward trio fnllvwivg information to tlse
teen:
a. One se4 ofnalfaac deawwge for oaohteaur mevsbeq vvd hvo fill-size set for the Isom;
F. One sit cf apa'incaliona for cacti temn memher,
c. Derailed coet ertimme (vn cvPY)witM1 oncwst suvwary Por each team member;
d. nedgn ewcwadot~ lmerf,afiraf, eleoniea4 roc) (one rep; aw
c. Botiug Lags end Scil Reports (two seta).
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The CAT shell meet and work in nn environment away Ram thevvormal workplace in ordu
ro awid hrtecrvlslious. Tnc netting room will be provided by OranKe Cnunty. The follow room
regoir entcare reyuestal
lighnug and vwtilatiov suitable far Prolonged reeding writing, and nmdying
- large l'eble with oushionul chairs fart oath tcaty mamba
- telepM1Onein Ma meeting mom
- provta,ona tarTNr and pnoroeoprng eer~mes nn the prem~cea
A CRT report wdl na prepared Joeumenting the pmwsa and all mcotvmwdatimla dcvclopod
bytheORT. In eddinoq one set ofylvns and spacibaations ll be'Ted-lined"wits any yualily
review comments unpmvements noted by the CRT, and saMnittod as pmt o[ow ddivnebles.
NI reports will ba vssembled in m orderly fashion wd will besM1art and concise, yet
informative enough for decision making. Repots shall be prepared and submi¢ed on A`/"x I I"
bond Faper antl bond wtler weer appropnataly idanti-ed. 5ketchas maybe 8`h" x 11"or told-
ovt. Pages shall be sequsnlally nuvtbaed in thelowernayt M1and comer. In odditioq we could tie
vaitable for w opdoml port study implemevtanovneetwg wdthdre design NF and M<
l;owty/Chapel Hill to discvw which ideas slmuld be i~npletnwted mro We project design.
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ORANGN'.000NTY, NC
COST BREAKDOWN
CONSTRUCTABILITYNALUE RE VIEW
Cost for Each Project Stutly
DIRBC'f LABOR
Project ManagerlCV6"
Structural Engineer
Mechanical Engineer
Electdcal Engineer
Architect
CiviVCOS[Engineer
Senior Gontrador/COnstmc[ion Specialist
Typist
TOTAL DIRECT LABOR
"CVS Hours Breakdown
Prestudy anangements/mor. wtth
subs
Project sludylreview
Report writinglpraoflng - CVSC1
Report etliting - CVBlK2
Post report response/(cllcw-up
Total CVS Hours
OTHER DIRECT COST3
Meeting room rental- provided by County
Communication at study- provided by
coanty
Ship study materials to CRT- number of
copies
Copylbind CRT report- total number of
reports, 111 to client, including shipping
Communication-allow
In-0ouse reprotluction - number of copies
Travel
Round-trip- Washington, OC-Releigh-
Airfare
Lccal Rental-days
Mileage'. Norfolk to Chapel Hill
5 team members 500 miles each
Hours ate Labor
Cost
96 $95 $9.120
44 $80 $3,520
44 $85 $3,140
44 $85 $3]40
44 $95 $4,180
44 $80 $3,520
44 $90 $3,960
48 $45 $2,160
408 $33,949
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44
28
12
4
96
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Uai[ Uai Coat
s t
D- -0-
o- -D-
1 Sso $a5o
II $50 $sw
1 $100 $100
1,00 $0.9 $80
0 8
1 $200 $2DD
5 $60 $3D0
zs9D $o.a sns
1
io
Per Diem
B team membersx5deys 30 $100 $3,000
Tolal Other Direct COSts $5,355
PROJECT COST SUMMARY
pIRECT LABOR $33,940
OTHER DIRECT COSTS 355
TOTAI,PROJECI'COS IS $39,295
d_ Value Eno ne no Consultant Secton
IDs Boats con510eretl aWnorizing Count' staff to mmpleb negolielions on an egrcemenl
wan Padr envb¢nmamai sarvmaa(pes7maonean 5¢¢swnihiliry renews fur two (z7smbbls. anam
entlor was phase of IM1e selection proc ae br value enginsrin9 fun. PUmnaamg Olrenor Pam
d¢nessmaee me presedauon. she maimted mat me smn nas moved rather axpeailiou%ry on ma aaleabna
anemaanag mnsdmm sin%e mm smo¢I snlams nave prolens teal are immmam aria meta beaefil
bon be ezpM etlvk'e ¢f a value enyine
ills Osslre M Ina B¢aN ro Bain betler conlml of resaurce9 BeBOtiabtl with C¢nelNdivn of
count' ana achod raauitia%ia weu awumenretl. value engineering was mennnea as a pnedlal answerm
mia a. is nanfimgoa, vama englreeanq la a Dmc whereby earn ana every aspen ¢f a project is
.ed by an unbiasea min vain, m muabombon wne ma ¢mar key players. such as ms d~igrrer ana
icnml a¢eror cau¢ry pare nat.
artler boasSUre Nal value engine ring re vailable for tie school projects
tluring ties e5IFe5elec4on panel untlerlovk an lntensv ebpmcessrfo btlng fanv¢Merec¢mmsntletlm
at 0is time brr BOaM COraltlerallon. Tne salecaon pmceas wa%enligMenin9. antl brougManew perspenive
abvul weal a wnole value engineering program snoultl ba, antl whet wultl be expedetl o! a propetly
culed program. The inlerviaxing masullanis suppori~ weal pas been neartl babr¢, wnicn le met value
engineering is most eHenNe wnen Nia aler180 early In IM1e pracess of prgen eevelopment slnco bbtling for
IM1e miatlle a liool pmjec[ in Chapel HIII antl InP elemenmry scncol In Oange County la imminent, me%e
protects w¢me abt axpatl¢nm me mu banalg ¢f vawa eagmagiag.
rt me c¢mmiaamnare eeaire m pbrsbe enr runcgmal ekmank dvama aagmeennp mr
mesa two (zl prolecm, lua rewmmanded mat Ma e¢am wnsmer reboring PFS m wnducl ¢wawmblllty
ws fw me prgeds.
Theacos[s gwl¢tl by PES br Ntis work is $39,295.CO per scnml. AIMOUgn me costs ere significant, PES
intlicatetl IM1aI each pmjed will easily suryass IM1e fee In me amount rived an me pmjed antl it will provitle e
gootl benenmark for tie County m more (ally untlersGM m¢ benefits d tie value engine ring proses%. A
omelets r¢potl aelailibg me subslBncH of gt0 savings will be pmviEetl by PE$ al tlIB Bbd of mB review
prwnas
Paauming teal the Boartl approves tnls plan to acquire value engine ring ssrvicea, it Is
NMertecdnmentlee met me Menegar mmmunimte m me supennlenaen6 me Boara's tlesire b aHH value
enginaenng inWrpmal¢d Into Me earliest stages of tlevBlbpment olany school. ThiSw¢ultl be Datllcularly
impaliaa eH to IM1e tleaign tlevelopmen[ of Ina new nlBn solaol br me Orange County ayslem.
As m NnenclHl Impact it Is recommended Mal Nnds to covefine ms6 br mia waX Ce
appropriated hom IM1e Scnool Capifal Pmlen Funtl 9alanm. Polsntisl prvject savings should oRSel IM1e cost
of mh appropnatlon.
The Manager recwnmentls Mal the Board eumonze County staff to comploR ne9otiabons
n agreement wMn Pacific Emironmenbl services b coneua[ constmctiblllty reviews mr Nro (2) sdiools.
wltwe IOlel cask mall nvI exrxetl $]B 59U_ogl auMOrize Ina Manager b sign me msuWng agreement; b
entlorse a sernna pnase of the aeledion pmxss 6r a value englneering fvm; antl to dlrecl Ills Manager b
unia[e m me srllool Supennteneents me soerPS Inlsntion br value enginrering on NNre school
pmlec5.
Cpmmissi¢ner Halkiotis sale mat Fe believaa IItAI NIa Lwnty is vefy late in Me pr¢cess bf both systems.
IDs smxh teciliy will be going out br bitls In seplember or October 1999, antl tie elementary sshool In
Orarge County Is a probrype bulMln9, writ%M1 Fas been previwsly built lnree (3) limes. Commisaloner
Halkblis also eryr¢a+ed his tlisappvinlmeniwiN me rust o! hiring PES sa mnsultanls m mesa projects,
vaniwlarly since me consulbds nas ineimled Mamney wade be able m train county amrt in mis prbmaa.
He believaa use of Me crosulkn6ls [oo expensive antl tw tale Ib be of benefit to me scrod projeck, antl
ne woule rallrer supDOrl niang efull-time County employee to serve in avalue angina ring OV capacity.
Cam er carey smtetl that mis type 0l fgneulknt woultl wak Cesi NbrougM Info any
Drolecl6bm i6 inceplbin IHS qumtibnetl tMemermis acll¢n would aeley Me acnobl praleal%hom going aut
br bid Purcnasng Dlrecbr JOneseuplainetl me proses mat me consultantsfollowed If July 8. 1999 is me
submisamn gala mr nas. mere may be some ginned opponaninaa mr samags wan me Lapel wo miaale
%anwl vmlaot.
CM1air Gortlon questioned why tie consultank fee was as large as quoted Pmcheairg
Diratl¢NOOBe lB(Brmtl ma B¢dId to me cost break¢mvn anBBl'mdWaa in ms ageatla ab5I2Cl.
c¢mmiaaimer arowa sklea mat are was very %Yrpaaae acme pmpossd coal a me cansunanm'selvnes ¢n
fheae MO (P)pralvats. PurcneSinq Dlrenor Jones explain mat meteam of conaullank woultl meet for one
(I) entire week b owbplet¢ IM1elr evaluation. Ourlnq mis Ilme, Day woultl meetwM me relevant aUOOI
system to aeteimlos what Boas ane sties nd mnaeonally work on mal prgem. commissioner mown smlee
mat mis wee not exealry now ane bauevaa me cenwllams wows mncupn, Tamar, ane eeuevee mere woma
be someone asslgneamwomfvu$mamwark wlln ma Iwo lelsrnwlayslema. cdemissionarerown
mnner salemnat ane beueves me co~nry..eras m pemae more inmrmalion wen reeare m mis Isaua.
commm.roner Jawea slalea mac ume omega coamy acneola are going m bia wunm me
touowmg week, men a is already Iw Iola to persoe mis verse ofanion. uowever, ne aoaa not ogres onarn
is too Isla m wurza mia process wan me smen Mieme smool pro~ecl ens ne wows be wmfonede
enamplmg mla proaaas on mal prged. ue agreea lnal anyvame eagmearmg conswtam gnome ba Involves
in Ine process hom i6 inception. com er Jacebs believes tM1e County neees to eentleletkrla Ne
Wo (2) scbool boaNS Invdvee sleling Inarsour Benson was based on time constralnls.
Commissioner Carey stale0lnat me County neMS ro Ixcceatl wim establisning a value
engineering pmpesa, even If a Is only for one (iJ pmjed.
eM1air GoNOn smletl Ibat 0e County sM1OUIa fallow IM1rougn wim obtaining a value engineeeng fnm, but InaY
ensNB Vdlu engllleNing goals are mef,~ ic~wwmu mpamempergr111Ng dl nece88ary Nndpna to
Comm er Halhloris salE met Fe believes IM1ar Nc county neatly W ballet Ee(me ane
rystiry (na cosb far IM1ese scnools antl met leis Initiative is Img ovBNUe, wim IM1e neee naving exialetl mr
Several yea
commissioner cerey maaa rererenceroma pogcy wneraby Ine seam orewnry
Comm will ba making eeclslons al eacn slap io me pro= ane mere aw ww be maaa
bash on me county commiaaioners'ryagmem only. commieei nserearey stares met ne wpum ba
wnbXeble following (nis policy unless a value engineetlng process axis6 so Me eoaM qn learn
wbafever inlormallon it neetls b make an Imormetl tlaciabn.
Amaflan was matle by Commissioner CareAa wntlee by COmmissloner JecMela
approve a maximum expentleure o! $39,IX10.gg brine SmiIM1 Mieele Scnwl proled.
VOTE. AFFIRMED'. Cmmmiesioners Carey ane Jecoba
OPPOSED. Commissloners GoNOn, Browo ane Helkiolia
Comm net Brown slalee met one welberper cae pets wale wwk very aRedivelywM IM1e scnods
ane see5s alill lnlerestNln pursuing value englre ring. SM1e believes me commiXea lM1al Ma been formetl
come aaaress mia isaea.
A mdion was maaa by cammmsion Brown, eawnaee by commissioner rvalwmis ro approve
me secone phase onne vawe engineering vrn¢esa.
VOTE. UNANIMOUS
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ORANGE COUNtt
BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS
ACTION AGENDA ITEM ABSTRACT
Meeting Dah: December ].1999
Action Agentla
Nam Ne.
SUBJECT: Cost ERCient Facilities In eat ves (CEFp for Bu Idinos ConsVUdetl with County funds
DEPARTMENT: Purcbasing&CeMrsl Servlcea PUBLIC HEARING: (VIN) Nc
ATTACHMENT(S): INFORMATION CONTACT:
Pam Jones eAension 2652
Repod
TELEPHONE NUMBERS:
HilNborougN 732-8181
CNepel Hill 9881581
Ourbam fi88-1331
McEene 338-]]73831
PURPOSE: To wnsider a concept for maximizing the cost effectiveness of facilities <onefructed
using County rands.
BACKGROUND: The attarnetl report outlines a process lorparsuing cost efficient teGllBes for
Duildings built using County funds Essentially, me program would create a performance stantlartl
erlay to the existing sGtool wns[mclion sNntlards. These performance stentlaMS wpultl be
used as a bencbmark in the design of any county or scDOOI fecillry.
FINANCIAL IMPACT: None defined.
RECOMMENDATION(S): The Manager rewmmends iM1a[ the BoaN entlorse [be Cast Effioent
Facilities Initiatives (CEFI); and request Ybal the Manager inclutle [M1e 8em br discussion at the
SchooVCOmmisslonarworksess1on on December 13, 1999.
Prpppsetl Cos[ Effcien[ Faollllles Initiatives (CEFQ
for County
antl
School Capital Projects
Oewmber ], 9999
A work group Involving 1wp Lounly Commissioners, Me County Manager antl several
County stag members met sBVeral limes over Me past moots In an BRprt tc identity cost
eRCiency InIOa[ives In the tlevelopment of County antl School ladlities. TM1e ensuing
report In mead to reflect the essence of these discussions ae well es ro provitle a point
of departure for tlialogue a ong the Board of Commissioners and srTwl Boats
members.
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Why Inlflafe Lost E((ician(Facilities Initiatives (CEF/J Now?
Acwrtling to Me Orange Lounry Planning Olrecta, prolerAOns of xhod wns[mdion needs
intllrate Mat approximately 1 B schools will to requiretl to meet the sWdent population needs over
Me nex130 years. Basetl on construction estimates hom the sMwl wnstmdion stantlaNa, the
present value tldlers neetled to support cpnstmdion for these educatimal IadlNes is estimated lp
be $338,463,fi85.
The following table reflecting Me projedlon of school neetls Is based on the assumDflon Nat
growth will continue at a wndant enrollment Increase each year (i e. Omnge County ScFOOI
Dlstrltl at 156 new stutlenLS Der year antl CM1apel HiIllCanboro al 300 new students par year. Ps
wdher development M me School Adequate Publlc Facill8es ON'mance (SAPFO) continues, a
tutlher analysLS of existing rapadry as well as proposed wpaciry will be wntluded.7
Orange County $yatem ChapellHlll Carrboro System
• Elementary: Elementary
4x$12,]85.465=$51,141,940 ]x$t 2,]85,485=$89,998,395
• Mltltlle: Mitltlle:
2 x 18,504,6]0•$3],008.340 3x 18,504,6]0=$55,514,010
• Hlgh School: High SnhooY
1006 slutlent rapedry.
• lsoo swdem capacity: 1x$z4)oo,oo6 =SZa,]99,990
1 x$4osoo.ooo=$aga99,999
• 1500 stutlent DaDadry:
1 x $40,800,000= f40,8o0,000
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Total estimatetl mnslruction mats over 3D years for Orange county School District Is
• therefore $128,981,280.
Total estimated construction costs over 3D years for Chapel HilVCartboro School Clstricl is
therefore $ $210,512.4D5.
Total estimatetl cpnsVUCtipn costs over 30 years tp meal educational facility neetls Is
• therefore $338,4fi3,fi88.
Furtnec the County Is facing siAnificant construction neetls of its awn through its statutorily
requiretl support of marl system facilities. Preliminary estimates equate the cost of the jutlicial
fecllties (without tall mnslmIXlon) wtth those of a new elemenbry schml.
TM1IS bongs the total potential 30-year mnsVUC[ipn outlay for edumtion antl lutlicial tacilitles tq
approdmalely $ 352,249.1]0.
Pro)ecteb costs of this magnXUtle create a cpnsitlereble challenge to ensure [hat mnstmelgn antl
major renovation projects funtletl by [M1e County are propetly tlesignetl fo meet born County antl
School neetls within available resources.
In additbn, with the advent of the School Adequate Punllc Facilities ONinance (SAPFO), now in
sevalopmenp the Flsral issues will demand greater allentlon. As you may know, 0e SAPFO will,
among other IMngs:
Define a level of service rapacity, wnicn each new school will be expected to meet For
ample, If'X' number of units are approves for tlevelopment within the County. Nen
'Y'rype of school (elementary, mitltlle, M1igM1 scnoop wIN'Z" rapacity must be bWlt
within Ne nex['N" number o1 years; ens
The SAPFO will allow schools [o operate marginalty over-mpacTy for onlyalimitad
period of lime, thereby creating the necessity for srnod constmctlon W be mnsideretl In
a Vmely manner.
Apoten4al solution:
This look to the hoemn tells us Nat the limitetl package of funding resourwe available to suppod
mnst>uctign initiatives will no[be suRCient to meet tlemantl without very rareful planning. Rather
than to Immediately raise Vie tootling bat ens polentlally the tax rate, it is prutlent to mnsiaer cost
eRtlency measures Oat will provitle functionally excellent facilities et a manageable cost.
In the SpringlSUmmer 1999 the Boertl mnsideretl a value engineerng option for County antl
achpol projects, In whicM1 eacM1 facility would be subject lc a value engineering Drocess In tandem
wiN its tlesgn. TM1IS approach proves to be unsuitable, particulatly for upcoming schml
consVUClion projects, from a cost and timing point dt view.
Fortner tllscussipn has Dromptetl us to auggeat an anamative epproacn that functions as a stand-
alone process for County projec6 but rneates a tlesign standard ovetlay Ic me existing aritml
conslructlpn stansartls. me process is oullinetl as follows'.
Agroup similar to the scnml mnsWtlion stantlartls mmmlVee wools ba mnvenetl tD
ew infrastructure items common m all bullbings (HVAC. plumbing Onishes, window
glass, etc.). Tnis group would also include a IhiM pally consultant to add evalue-
engineering mmDOnent to the Development of the standaMS (amurata cost projections.
life cycle cast analysis, etc.)
• Functional stantlaMS wools be sevelopetl toreach MPeae mmponen5. Examples of
the tundional slantlards might be:
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The roofing smntlam for buildings will be metal (unless proM1lGl[etl ae may be the
In hialOhc districts); or
Aspeeific eneryy emelancy level(BN COnsumptlon per square foot)must be
achieved by Ole HVAC system pmposeQ or
To avoid Poture maintenance mmplimtlons, systems, such as wa[erlgas service or
wiring receways, shall not be embedded in the cpncfete Ooor slab unless code
restriClions prObihl cVPlheatl bsla3110ns.
Upon wmpletioM1 tM1e resulting standards woultl be taken by the mmmidee members M
their respecllYe governing boards far comment.
ultimately, tM1e 80ard of Commissioners would adopt the stantlaN by which may would
tuna capital projects.
StandaMS woultl ba provided to any firm retained by IM1e county or the Btllools to
design a facility. The frm would be expelled to design incompliance with the tlasign
guidelines.
Upon mmpletibn o(a facility design, Me designer woultl provide certifratlon tp [M1e
School antl the County that the tlasign guidelines hetl been met er cite areas where
deviations were mandated by a regulatory hotly. TM1e County Engineering stag would
ew the blNmnsWtllon documents and the ceNfirelions and render an opinion on
tbelsuficiency or mmpliance tlocumantation.
In regard to seM1OOI projects, if a School Board determines that exweding a stantlaN is
uitiral tO IM1e Nobility o(a given pfIX]ram, Men the ScM1OaI BoaN may submit a proposal
to pay br adtlXimal costs from Olberoay-as-you-go funds available to Me School, eg.
recurring cepltal.
wndme:
Recommendations (or tirnding ofcepilal pmjcets rettwut as endorsedby the Boerdm June 1999.
1'hc mvccpl is ae follows:
While the Board will covtlnpeto epmove theprojems iv Ma COmty's tcv-year C]P,
approval ofspmFficpmjml component will omur afitt costs have been firmly
estabtiehed bybid, a cnntrwt, yr vtherldghly reliable cost de[ormitirtg morns for each
ompweN OCprojcot develnpmrnt. Bssmlially, Ma appropnatiov world be equivnlrnt
~o Mamrornl afmowy wady ro ne snort rm anmticwar ergept mmponont mnetiop
<plaaaiap, flte aaxampmmt mmworpa, Ne)
Capiml Policy reWsiovs m reflect thin are irmrdrtrnt.
.1s nvled w We lone action, Mis proccee will involve vdditivnal steps vs the Board is called noon
tnteke artiov at nations milastonev in Mo pryce[, mtMrtban vllocvtingalump sam Loi each
project whey the C~ is approved. I Ioweveq Nis moms of aPPronrie4nR Cur capital nrole¢s
appcam Mprovide the Comtry mvsidenMly more flexibility iv resoomsmerta6emrnt. Sivm
appmpnutions would be madc by projml component and would M1e bored uv mom accm&e cost
data my surylns from the total prvjwt would rutww available for vppmpnativn w Culurc C1P
projects.
6eneOls:
We believe this aDproacM1 promMes greater consistency in systems and doesa
better jab of analyzing systems before they are spec~ietl for use In a builEing.
• Mater Ome and cpatmmmiMan6 oauronetime. As future refinements of Me
standards became necessary, Mey sM1OUkI be manageable and could possibly be
accomplishes Mrougn collaboration of School antl County stall.
TM1is approach provides consistent guidelines for tlesignere retainetl Dy Ne County
antl Schools for iaullty tleslgn. Clearly amwlatetl axpaclatione on [M1a front antl ofa
pro~eM are Ilkely m yield a more acceptable result.
Possibly Ne greatest berebt to Implementing cost etfldent facilities initiatives is out
enhancetl ability to project acwrate wnstruclipn vests. As previously Intlicatetl, our
urale projeGion of costs for the CIP will become essentlal wl0 fie atloplion of
SAPFO. TM1IS bawmas apparent when one untlerstands that SAPFO is driven by a
complex Inter-relationship Involving growth-geneatetl tlemantl for school capacity,
wpeciry of existing school fadlilies, projected school consWGionlcapaciry,
mnsVUdion costs for scM1OOI taGlNes antl CIP fundatl budgets for school
wnsrmdion Untler this scenario, any tleviation from original tlala regaNing
wpaoty anti subsequent construction wsta could reuse signifwnt negative ImDaG
on CIP appropriations.
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Minutes for December] 1999
e + R I [F II't' I't' [' ICEFlI for BUlldnas Constructetl D919U
County Funds
The Boats approved a cencept for maximizing the cost effectiveness of County
building prolecYS.
A motion was matle by Commissioner Brown, seconded by Commissioner
Jawbs to endorse the Cost Efficient Facilities Initiatives and reQUest that Ne Manager
include the item for tliswssion a[ Me SchoollCOmmissionertyork session on December 13,
1999.
VOTE. UNANIMOUS
Proposed Cort Efficient Faeilitlea tnitiarivev (CEFl)
fsr COmty antl
svhwl Gpilal l'ro)eGe
December ],1999
A work group involving two County Commissioners, the County Manager
antl several County staff members met several times over the past month
In an effort to Itlentiry cost efficiency initiatives in the development of
Couny and School facilities. The ensuing report In meant to reflect the
essence of these tliscusslons as well as to provitle a point of departure for
tlialogue among the Board of Commissioners antl School Boartl members.
Why Initiate Cost ERcient Facilifies Inifiafivas (CEFI) Now9
Accoming to the Orange County Planning Oirecter, protections of school mnatme[ion
needs indicate that approximately 19 schools will be required to meet the student
population needs over the nex[30 years. Basetl on cons[motion estimates fromthe school
construction stantlartls ,the present value tlollars nestled to support mnstmclion for these
educalbnal facildies is estimated to be $339.483,685.
The following table reflec[Ing the projection of school neetls is based on the assumption
that growth will wnlinua at a wnstant enrollment increase each year (i.e. Orange County
School DisVict at 150 new students per year and Chapel HiIllCarrbore at 300 new students
per year. As further develepment of [he School Atlequate Public Facilities Ordinance
(SAPFO) wntinues, a further analysis of existing capacity as well as proposetl capacity
will be conducletl.)
Orange County System ChapeE1ri11 Carrboro syarcm
• Elementary: Elementary:
4x $12,]85,4&5e$51,141,949 ]x$12,]85,485=$89,498,395
• Mltltlle: M/tltlle:
2 x 18,SW,fi]0=$3],909,349 3x 18,594,fi]0=$55,514,019
• Hlgh School: High School:
1000 student capacity
• 1500 sNdeM capacity: 1 x $24,]09,009 = §24,]99,000
1 x$40800,000=$40,800,000
• 1500 sWtlent capacity.
1 x $40,800,000= §40,800,000
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• Total estimated construction casts over 30 years for Orange County School Dis4ict
Is therefore $128,951,280.
• Total estimated construction mats over 30 years for Chapel HiIllCartboro School
District is therefore $ $218512,405.
• Total estimatetl construction costs over 30 years to meet etlumtional facility needs
Is therefore $338,483,686.
Fudher, the County is facing signifimnt mnstmcMion nestle of its own through rts
stetutodly requlretl support of court system facilities. Preliminary estimates equate the
cost of the judicial facilities (without tail mnsWCtion) with those of a new elementary
school.
This brings [he total potential3o-year consWCtign outlay for education and judicial
facilities to approximately $ 352,249,1 ]0.
Projectetl costs of this magnitude create a considerable challenge fo ensure that
consWC[ion and major renovation projects funded by the County are properly designed to
meet both County and Schml nestle within available resources.
In atltlition, with the advent of the School Adequate Public Facilities Ortlinance (SAPFO),
now in tlevelppment, the fiscal issues will tlemantl greater adention. As you may know,
the SAPFO will, among other things:
Degne a level of service capacity, which each new school will be expectetl to
meet. For example, iP'X"number of units are approved for tlevelopment within
the County, then "V" type of stlrool (elementary, middle, high school)whh "Z"
capacity must be built wthin the next "N' number of years; antl
The SAPFO will allow schmis to operate marginally over-capacity for onlya
limited period of time, thereby creating the necessity for school mnstmctlon to
be considered in a timely manner.
Apofentlal solunon~
This look to the horizon tells us that the limited package of footling resources available [o
supped construction initiatives will not be sufficient to meet tlemantl withoN very careful
planning. Ratherthanto immediately raise thefuMing bar, and potentially the tax role, it
is pendent [o consitler cos[ efficiency measures that will provide functionally excellent
hcilities at a manageable cost.
In the Spring/Summer 1999 the Bcartl mnsitleretl a value engineering option for County
antl school projects, in which each faulity woultl be subject to a value engineering process
in tandem whh its design. This approach proved tq be unsuitable, particularly for upcoming
school constmctlon projects, from a cost antl timing point of view.
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Further tliscussion has prompted us to suggest an alternative approach that functions as a
stantl-alone process for County projects but creates a design standard overlay to the
existing school consumpion stantlartls. The process is outlined es follows:
Agmup similar to[he school construction stendaNS Committee woultl be
onvenetl to review infrastmcture items common to all buidings (HVAC,
plumbing, finishes, wintlow glass, etc). This group woultl also inGUtle a thiM
party consultant to atltl a valueengineedng component tc the tlevelopment of
the standartls (accure[e cost projections, life cycle wsf analysis, etc.)
Functional stantlaNS would be tleveloped {or each of these components.
Examples of the functional standaNs migh(be:
The rooting standaN for buildings will be metal (unless prohibitetl as may be
the case in historic tlisbcts); or
A specific energy efficiency level (Btu consumption per square foot) moat be
achievetl by the HVAC system proposeQ or
To avoitl future maintenance complications, systems, such as waterlgas
service or wiring raceways, shall not be embeddetl in the concrete floor slab
unless code restrictions prohibR overheatl installations.
• Upon completion, the resulting standaMS woultl be taken by the committee
members to their respective governing boaNS for comment.
• Ultimately,(he eoartl of Commissioners woultl atlopl the standard by whichthey
would funtl capital projects.
• Stantlartls woultl be provitletl to any firm retained by the County or iha Schools
to tlesign a facility. The firm would be expectetl to design in compliance with the
tlesign guidelines.
Upon mmpletton ota facility tlesign, the tlesigner woultl provitle certifica[ionb
the School antl the County [hat the tlesign guidelines hatl been met or cite areas
where deviations were mantlatetl bye regulatory body. The County Engineering
staff would review the bitl/constmpion tlocuments antl the certifications end
rentler en opinion on the sufficiency of compliance documentation.
In regaN to school pmleQS, H a School Board determines [ha[ exceetling a
stantlaN is critical to the viability of a given progrem, then the School Boats may
submit a proposal [o pay for atltlitional costa from other pay-as-you-go funds
available to the School, e.g. recurring capital.
Funtling:
Recommantlations for footling of capital pmjects remain as entloreetl by the Board in June
1999. The concept is as follows:
• Whilethe eoaN will continuebapprove the projects in the County's ten-year
CIP, approval of specific project components will occur after costs have been
flnnly es[eblishetl by biQ a wn[racq or other highly reliable cos[ tletermining
means for each wmponen[of projec[develppment. Essentially, the
appropriation would be equivalent tc the amount of money reatly to be spent br
a particular project component function (planning, efts tlevelopment,
conatmclian, etc.)
Capital Policy revisions to reflect iMS are imminent.
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As noted in We June anion, this process will Involve atltlitional steps as the Boats is
called upon to fake action at various milestones in the project, rather than allocating a
lump sum for each project when the ClP is approved. However, [his means of
appropriating for capital projects appears to provitle Ne Gounty mnsitlerably more
Oexibility in resource management. Since appropriations woultl be made by project
component and woultl be basetl on more amurate cost tlafa, any surplus from the total
protect woultl remain available far appropriation to fuWre CIP projects.
benefits:
• Wa believe[his approach promotes greater consistency in systems and does
a bederjpb of analyzing systems before they are specifletl for use In a
bulldog.
Major time and cost commitments occur one time. As future refinements of
the sfendaNa become necessary. they shoultl be manageable antl coultl
poaeibly be accomplished through collaboration of School antl Gounty staff
This approach provides consistent guidelines for designers retainetl by the
County end Schools krfaciliry tlesign. Clearly adicula[etl expectations on
Me front end cf a project are likely to yieltl a more acceptable result.
Possibly iM1e greatest benefit to implementing cos[ effmien[ facilities Initiatives
is cur enhanced ability to project accurate mnstmction costs. As previously
indicated, our accurate projection of vests for the CIP will become essential
with iM1e atlopfion of SAPFO. This becomes apparent when one untleratantla
that SAPFO is driven by a complex inter-relationship involving growth-
generetetl demantl far school capacity, capacity of existing school facilities,
projectetl school constmdionlcapacity, construction mats for school facilities
antl GIP funtletl budgets for school constmction ..Under this scenario, any
deviation from original tlata regarding capacity and subsequent mnstmction
costs could rouse significant negative impact on CIP appropriations.
Minutes: Oecemher 13,1999 Joint BOCCI$chool Board Worksession
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a. CoslEffcient Facilities Initiative
John link said that he paNCipated on a task force that included Director d Central Stares
and Purchasing Pam Jones, end Commissioners Jacobs and Halkiotis In which they discussed Ne
ncepts of value engineering. He said lM1at according to gmwlM1 projections, IM1ere would bee
~etl for 19 new sdtDDls overthe nexl30 years at an estimated cos[ of $340,000,000. The County
s also talking about an adequate public facilities oMlnance whicF directly affects M1aw growlM1 Is
addressed The focus on the wDi[al Improvement budget will be more accenNated.
Pam Janes said chat by looking at Ae projections, the wnslmdion costs over IM1e next IM1ree
decades is going to be slgniflcant. $he said Nat what is being proposed torngM Is a process that
will Ce collaborative among the schools and the County. Page two of anachment 1b outlines the
process. SM1e said IM1at pertormance standards would be developed for now conetmclion. Tha
emphasis is on using the available resources Mat will last Melongest amount of time. SM1e
explained fM1e prowdure Net would be followed She said that the fundng of Me new censtruGlon
ould fallow along similarly wiM Me wnwp6 of value engineering. The Commissioners would
approve the prolaIX up front Cut It would be funded In accordance with the various components.
The major amount dgme waultl be span[upfront This process also provides some consistent
guidelines for the architect. She said Mat this process lsagootl stall wiM geeng togeher and
cellaboretlng on what [he acoeptable standards are id bulltlings Nat the County might bulltl.
Commissioner Halkiotis said Maf the driving fo¢e behind [his Is Me fad Nat the Shaping
Orange Cpuntya Future Task Force presented some mgmening agures with respect to now many
schools wouM be needed by the year 2030. He said that when Planning Olmdor Craig Benedlc[
first wme to Orange County, M1e elected doing some atudiee and wnservatNely presided Nat to
schools waultl be nestled by Ne year 2030. Commissioner Halkiotis said that IM1e amount of
money that waultl Ce nestled m Wnd these schools Is really scary. He feels Mat the County has
been very frugal in building necessary structures Nat II needs far its awn programs and Nat rf all of
the expendaures for buildings Nat have Oeen built for County functions over [he last ten yeare were
added together, IM1e total would not add up to IM1e cesl of one elementary school. He mentioned
Mat it is projected Ma[ me County will need a now, vary large jail soon. He feels Nat it la fcol'~shfor
IM1e County not fo plan for IM1e $300,000,000 Mal it Is going M co i to huiltl 19 new scM1OOls.
Chair Carey clab9ed that the projected 19 schools does cwt indutle raplawmenls.
Nick Oitlow shared some lM1OUgMS. He invited Ne County Commissioners to indude
partdpatlon Cy Ne school board members in inltlatlves Ilke this. He Bald that Me standards Nat
Pam Jones mentioned were not something new in terms of construction. If these sfaMards are a
way to gain soma additional a?ciancias and to tlo an even benarjob M Ne stewaMShip of Ma
funds Then he feels II Is a goad Idea. He thinks that me scM1OOI boaNS M1ave wnsidereble
experience in Mls type of analysis and would be M1appy Ip share it.
Susan Halkiotis made reference to Me statement Nat Ne standaNa waultl Ce revlewe0
pedodlcally. She feels that wiN the changes in tecM1nelogy and innovalionsareview is newssary.
SM1e feels it Is something IM1at is already being done and tM1a[ sharing information waultl be useful.
chair Garay said met he feels it woma ha heneedal mrall paniea m au mwn m diawea me
alandama and Ipqk at Nam pehpmwlly m see fr cosy nose rp he reeiaea.
Gloria Foley made reference to the neA item, Parks Task Forw ResolNion on Joint Acwss
to ReaeaM1On Fatllilies, and said IM1aI when considering Nese faulities Me eRed of open facilites
on the teacM1lrg atmosphere needs to be stuotetl.
CM1eir Carey said that Nis recommendation includes a group from Ne school boaNS and
me County geeing togeMer over Me neat few mgn[ha to artive a[ a plan.
Pam Jones said that the standards she spoke of create an overlay to the existing
standaNS.
John link said that [he Dresenl standards are quaniita[ive in terms of Me amount W square
footage per function in Me smmis.
Keith Cook said That the aMOpls already have guidelines Mat have been Incomora[etl over
tits years aria it seems ma11M1e two school boaMS are not given me credit Mey are due for already
a~
doing a gootl job. He seta that the guidelines should be flexible as things charge over the years.
He reguesled that the County invite Ne scM1Ool boartls to tlisass iM1ese iMngs eery In iM1e process.
CM1air Carey saitl IM1aI M1e wishetl IM1is meeting coultl M1ave been eatliec He said that the
County Commissioners M1ave to initiate tM1ings Inat are in the best incerest MAe public In Orange
County and sometimes the scM1OOI boartls cannot be indutletl in the process early on. He saitl IM1at
it was unreasonable to 0'mk IM1at iha school beaMS wou10 be brought in to discuss matters before
flee County Commissioners discuss them among themselves.