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ORANGE COUNTY
BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS
ACTION AGENDA ITEM ABSTRACT
Meeting Date: October 10, 2023
Action Agenda
Item No. 5
SUBJECT: Discussion on the County's Participation in Mayors, Managers, Chair (MMC)
Meetings
DEPARTMENT: County Manager
ATTACHMENT(S): INFORMATION CONTACT:
A. Excerpt of Minutes from the 2016
Assembly of Governments Meeting Travis Myren, 919-245-2308
B. MMC Meeting Notes for the Last
Twelve (12) Months
PURPOSE: To discuss the County's participation in multijurisdictional Mayors, Managers, Chair
(MMC) meetings.
BACKGROUND: In most years, the County and the Towns of Carrboro, Chapel Hill, and
Hillsborough hold a joint meeting called the Assembly of Governments meeting. In 2016, one of
the agenda topics was an update on the Greene Tract. As part of an effort to advance progress
on the development of the Greene Tract, the group discussed the creation of a Task Force to
provide recommendations on the development of the property for affordable housing, a school
site, and other potential uses. A history of the Greene Tract and related agreements and past
planning activity is available here.
Discussion during the 2016 Assembly of Governments meeting included the possible creation of
a public task force to recommend potential uses for the Greene Tract. Another suggestion
involved the creation of a task force made up of the Mayors from Carrboro and Chapel Hill, the
Chair of the Board of Commissioners, and the Managers from each participating jurisdiction. A
final suggestion was that the managers for each jurisdiction create a proposal for governing board
review. Ultimately, discussion on the topic ended with the suggestion that a starting point would
be a meeting of the Mayors, Managers, and Chair (Attachment A). There was no action taken at
the Assembly of Governments meeting to create a task force, and none of the participating
jurisdictions took formal action at a later date to create a task force. In fact, the Mayors and Chair
may have met informally prior to 2016 to discuss policy matters of mutual interest or to set
agendas for joint meetings.
The only agenda item that the Board of Commissioners adopted that referenced the Mayors,
Managers, and Chair assemblage was the 2021 Greene Tract Interlocal Agreement. This
Agreement assigned the Mayors, Managers, and Chair to "...be the representatives of the Parties
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for the purpose of negotiating the ultimate uses of the Property and working directly with staff to
bring such negotiated results to the governing board for final approval and determination."
The scope of topics discussed during MMC meetings has broadened over time to include topics
like human services related agreements among the jurisdictions and responsibilities for housing
related services. The meeting notes from the preceding twelve months of MMC meetings are
provided as Attachment B.
General concerns have been raised about the general role of the MMC and transparency to the
elected governing boards and the public. This discussion is intended to address concerns Board
members have about the MMC group and to provide direction on whether the County continues
to participate, and if so, on what basis or under what types of limitations.
FINANCIAL IMPACT: The discussion on participation in MMC meetings has no financial
impact.
SOCIAL JUSTICE IMPACT: There is no Orange County Social Justice Goal impact associated
with this item.
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT: There is no Orange County Environmental Responsibility Goal
impact associated with this item.
RECOMMENDATION(S): The Manager recommends that the Board discuss the County's
participation in MMC meetings.
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the project, and ensure that the entire new alignment qualifies for the 50% Federal match, the
Durham-Chapel Hill-Carrboro Metropolitan
Planning Organization (DCHC MPO) has initiated two actions: 1) The extension needs to be
included in its Locally Preferred Alternative (LPA) and 2) the extension needs to be included in
its 2040 Metropolitan Transportation Plan (MTP).
At its October 19 meeting, the MPO Board released the amendments for public comment,
which is taking place through November 29, and held a public hearing on November 9, 2016.
The Durham City Council and Durham Board of County Commissioners (BOCC) endorsed the
amendments in September and October, respectively. The Orange County BOCC received a
presentation on the extension at its meeting on November 15.
NCCU Station
• FTA issued a combined Final Environmental Impact Statement/Record of Decision
(FEIS/ROD) on the D-O LRT Project in February, 2016
• In response to comments, FTA and GoTriangle committed to look at some specific
refinements including analyzing the feasibility of extending the alignment to NCCU
o Early analysis indicated that the extension is feasible
o FTA determined that s Supplemental Environmental Assessment (EA) would be
required
Proposed NCCU Station Location
Current Activities
• The Supplemental EA on the NCCU LRT Station Refinement is now available for
Public Review and Comment until Dec 7, 2016
http://ourtransitfuture.com
NCCU James E. Shepherd Memorial Library
Main Branch of the Durham Public Library
GoTriangle's Administrative Office
• DCHC MPO to vote on Metropolitan Transportation Plan Amendment to include
NCCU Station on December14, 2016
Questions
Alderman Seils said he is appreciative of this station. He asked if there is an
expectation that the addition of this leg will increase the scoring process.
Danny Rogers said the project scored really well, and this addition will make the project
better.
Alderman Slade said he hoped the next leg of the light rail will be in Carrboro.
5. Greene Tract- Deferred
Chair McKee noted that the time is 10:02 p.m. He said the next item is not critical and
can be given as an information item. He said to let the Managers come back with a proposal
for a task force.
Mayor Hemminger said she hoped there would be a task force to get moving on this
topic, and agreed with the Managers working together to come back with a strategic process.
Mayor Lavelle agreed.
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Alderman Slade said he hopes the task force will look at the work done in the Rogers
Road community as a starting point from which to move forward.
Commissioner Dorosin asked if the charge of the task force could be identified. He
said a task force sounds like reinventing the wheel again; and it is important to know what is
being sought. He said affordable housing is a universal goal, and said perhaps an RFP is
next.
Mayor Lavelle said to have Managers to come up with something, and let the Mayors
and the Chair be the task force and provide feedback to the respective boards.
Commissioner Rich said some points are in the abstract, and provides a starting point.
Mayor Hemminger said that is why she asked the Managers to come back with a
strategic process.
Chair McKee said when this topic was put on the agenda he noted that he is at the
same point, with the Green Tract now, that he was 10 years ago with the Rogers Road
Community Center. He said he is tired of this topic going nowhere, and is ready to make a
plan and take action, or stop talking about it altogether.
Commissioner Price said a deadline should be set for establishing a plan.
Commissioner Jacobs said this was discussed at the joint meeting with Chapel Hill
months ago, and staff was asked to take their vision and put it on to paper. He said that would
be a reachable goal. He said a strategic plan must reflect how the elected officials think
currently, which includes mixed-use development.
Alderman Chaney said there must be a grocery store within a mile of a low-income
housing tax credit application site, if any type of multi-family units is planned.
Chair McKee asked if it is agreeable to have the Managers put together a unified
proposal for the three boards.
There was general consensus.
Commissioner Price said the community is being left out of this discussion.
Chair McKee said it is important to keep it concentrated at the beginning, in order to
keep things moving.
Mayor Lavelle said a starting point would be to have a meeting between the Managers,
the Mayors and the Chair. She said the community will not be excluded.
Commissioner Price said she is outnumbered, but feels the community should be
included from the start.
Chair McKee said to start with the Managers, the Mayors and the Chair.
DEFERRED
a) Brief Historical Update
The Greene Tract (164 acres) was acquired in 1984 and came to Orange County as an asset
of the Solid Waste Fund. The 1998 Interlocal Solid Waste Agreement (amended April 12,
2000) established the three owning partners for a 104 acre parcel. The remaining 60 acres,
long held by Solid Waste, is in the process of being transferred to an asset of the General
Fund to be used for preservation and low impact recreation purposes.
Although there has been considerable discussion about the future of the Greene
Tract, no formal action has been taken by the BOCC since 2002. And although not specific to
the Greene Tract, multiple Historic Rogers Road Area (HRRA) small area studies and planning
efforts have been conducted by the local governments over the last 15 years that referenced
the Greene Tract.
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Over the last few years, the local governments have pursed the construction of a Rogers Road
Community Center and the design of the Rogers Road Sewer Project. More recently, the
Historic Roger Road Area (HRRA) staff workgroup (local government management, planners,
and Orange Water and Sewer Authority (OWASA)) has been reviewing and developing two
new initiatives:
1. The Community First planning program. The Jackson Center was hired by the joint
governments to work with Rogers Road stakeholders to create a guide and recommendations
for future of the community.
2. Multi-Jurisdiction Technical Environmental Scan of the Greene Tract. Many cultural and
environmental aspects have been researched and updated. Over the years there have been
many options (based on various studies) discussed as possible future uses of the 104 acres
jointly owned by Orange County, Chapel Hill and Carrboro. Listed below are the options that
have been explored:
1. Joint Affordable Housing could be planned for 18.1 acres and the remaining 85.9 acres
would remain join open space.
2. The 104 acre tract should remain as open space to be protected by conservation
easements.
3. The acreage for affordable housing could be placed in the Land Trust.
4. Chapel Hill Carrboro City Schools requested that part of the Greene Tract be reserved for a
future elementary school site. An approximate 11 acre area south of the 18 Affordable
Housing site was considered.
5. Rename the property to recognize the headwaters of Bolin Creek, Booker Creek and Old
Field Creek.
The Greene Tract map is in the abstract which shows the proximity of the various
aforementioned parcels.
b) Potential Task Force
The possibility of forming a task force to develop concrete recommendations relative to the
Greene Tract has been a topic of discussion. A task force could potentially consist of
representatives from governmental bodies and community stakeholders and provide
recommendations on affordable housing, a school site, and other potential uses for the
Greene Tract.
5. INFORMATION ITEMS (Written Updates — Not for Specific Discussion)
a) OWASA Update of the Long Range Water Supply Plan
b) Agricultural Support Enterprises in the Rural Buffer
C) Solid Waste Financial Report
d) Rogers Road — Mapping Our Community's Future Report
The meeting adjourned at 10:12 p.m.
Earl McKee, Chair
Donna Baker
Clerk to the Board
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Orange County— Carrboro — Chapel Hill — Hillsborough
Joint Meeting to Discuss Human Services-related agreements
October 13, 2022, 10:30 am-noon
Summary Notes
Objective: To develop a more holistic and integrated analysis and approach toward
addressing the community's homeless and broader housing and human services needs in order
to allocate resources in a way that maximizes impacts.
High level interests
- Identifying what we are trying to accomplish
- Establishing a more holistic plan to achieving those outcomes
- Determining the best model for working together
Participants
Jamezetta Bedford, Loryn Clark, Margaret Hauth, Pam Hemminger, Maurice Jones, Travis
Myren, Renee Price. Corey Root, Damon Seils, Anne-Marie Vanaman. Sarah Vinas, Jenn Weaver,
Richard White
Facilitator: Maggie Chotas, DSC
Summary Notes
Hopes
Participants identified the following hopes for the time together:
- Clarifying the roles and responsibilities of the Town and county governments— Damon
- Better understanding of responsibilities of Towns to support Human Services— Richard
- Starting a discussion of the County-wide housing goals— Loryn
- Identifying next steps to keep moving— Margaret
- Forward progress—Jenn
- Leaving with direction on the process for the Partnership to revise the MOU —
Jamezetta
- Increasing the ability of people earning low incomes to thrive in Orange County—Corey
- Working on where are we trying to go and what's our overarching vision — Pam
- Strengthening our collaborative efforts with a focus on One Orange -Renee
- Beginning process of getting a timeline for moving forward on various MOUS—Travis
- Understanding the depths of the housing issues that we're facing in Orange County and
how best to address those issues collaboratively and efficiently— Maurice
- Clear next steps—Sarah
- Developing a structure for working together on these agreements—Anne-Marie
Working Together
Participants agreed to following norms for their time together
- Begin and adjourn on time
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Speak directly, honestly and aim for being concise
One speaker at a time
Listen for understanding
Say what you need to say while making room for others to say what they need to say
Be aware of assumptions & ask clarifying questions
It is OK to disagree...please do so respectfully
- Use first names
What are we trying to accomplish?
Responses, grouped into themes,follow. For a snapshot of this discussion, please see Meeting
Synopsis.
Keep real people at the center and serve them
- We have an affordable housing crisis in our County where real people either have no
home at all or can't really afford where they are living. Or they work here, but can't
afford to live here
Big system approach driven by needs analysis
- A systems approach that looks at the big picture and strategically funds projects and
programs driven by the needs analysis, not necessarily current directions of
providers
- Each partner provides their piece based on those needs and their charge
Address the full spectrum of housing system —continuum of needs
- The system addresses the full continuum from homelessness all the way up to those
who don't need support
- Even within homelessness, there's the chronic homeless with mental health needs
Coordinate plans + Report comprehensively
- Putting all the pieces together is an exciting goal
- Right now, we have a lot of different plans, but not one plan to rule them all
- We also have many providers with different services that feed into affordable
housing, but there's so many other areas that are braided together
- An overall comprehensive report could graphically show how everything comes
together
Work together to make homelessness in Orange County, rare, one-time and brief
- Collaborate— play to our strengths & capacity as jurisdictions; each partner has a
role to play
How do we want to accomplish this vision?
Promoting dignity throughout processes
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Use trauma-informed care, a client-centered approach and an empowerment model
- A lot of the "help" clients have received in the past has actually been pretty
traumatic for the folks receiving that help
- Approach with a racial equity lens
Collaboratively
- Collaboration doesn't mean we're all performing the same functions, but we do
what we are best suited to do and what we have the capacity for
- Effective collaboration reflects being transparent regarding the best role for each
partner and the capacity to take on those responsibilities
- Once you understand your role, stay in your lane
Via MOUS
- MOUs are very important: they are how we are reaching the goals
- Performance standards, measurement and tracking when applicable
Thoughtfully and strategically
- Coordinate plans and approaches
Effectively communicate
- Communication strategy
o To elected officials on a regular basis for the purpose of continuity
o To community as well
Consider the full range of Human Services
- Housing, health (including mental health), transportation,jobs, schools, food
What do we need in order to accomplish this vision?
Build on our best practices we use from other collaboration models
- Good model in Partnership to End Homelessness because we developed a gaps
analysis in 2017 and we do annual updates to all the boards and to the community
o Need to publicize that more—a lot of people don't understand that we're
working together on it
- Can be helpful as a compare and contrast exercise to think about the other ways in
which the jurisdictions collaborate where we have interlocal agreements, for
example: Solid Waste, Greene Tract
Better understand who is being helped by resources and how—via data gathering
- It seems like we keep repeating the same number of people experiencing
homelessness—are we actually moving the needle? Is this a new group of 150 or are
we serving the same people? Are we using our resources in a way that really helps
the needs we have here with our people?
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How do we make sure people are living in safe, decent, standard housing?
- Tracking is an important thing we all need to do to see how people are migrating
across the county and if their needs are being meet
- Each jurisdiction could do the tracking for themselves and then we bring it together
Current waitlists
Sarah Vinas reported some preliminary data regarding waitlists:
o Public housing waitlist is 271 households currently
o CASA is over 1000 households
o Habitat is also 1000 households
o Home Trust 300
- There may be crossover on the lists, but the numbers show the need for the people
who are already here or working here and trying to live here—explains the goals we
are trying to reach
Define roles & responsibilities
- Because of the urgent, growing needs, all jurisdictions are asking the question how
can we help? What can we do?
- When it comes to our roles, there are real differences in capacity. How can we
acknowledge these differences in staffing and other resources? How to best tackle
these problems?
- It's important for jurisdictional goals to be clear, but the real conversation has to
come around to roles and responsibilities
- Who can do what and how can we support each other? Eg., Perry Place
- What is it the Town can do? What dollars can you get? And what dollars can the
County get to show it's all one effort?
Coordinate MOUs
- Learn about how each jurisdiction approaches MOUS
- Consider would it be appropriate to have joint agreements versus individual
agreements
- Be aware of timelines & Budget cycles
What are the roles of the towns versus the county? How can we more clearly
define those roles so that we can best meet the needs of the community?
Overview of jurisdictional staffing and resources
- Carrboro has three positions in the housing office currently, property tax raised 1.5
cents to support the special revenue funds dedicated to achieving affordable
housing goals and strategies. $380,000 for affordable housing fund; more than a
third of that goes to agreements which support keeping people in their units. For
creating units it's about $250,000
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Hillsborough doesn't have any staff people dedicated to housing. Margaret has
taken on the role because it's so important. When you add up the amounts
Hillsborough is paying on the MOUs it's over 2 cents on the tax rate; if we had met
all last year's requests at our percentage it would have exceeded so it would have
left nothing for the Coalition's request. Margaret also said she is leaving and the
person who comes after her won't have the institutional knowledge she has gained
Chapel Hill's housing office includes affordable housing and community
connections. There are two dedicated affordable housing staff currently and then
two senior manager positions. In terms of resources, Chapel Hill has about $15
million total to implement affordable housing strategies, including the $10 million
affordable housing bond which will be fully allocated as of November. Dedicate 1
cent on the property tax rate which generates about $600,000— not quite there,
but working toward 1 cent
- Orange County has 49 staff which includes program staff. There has been rapid
expansion to try to meet unmet needs during the pandemic. The Partnership had
one staff person at the beginning of 2020. By December 2020, 12 staff. Pushed out
$12 million in rental and utility assistance and shored up nonprofits
Housing Help Line supported by ARPA funding— hope that can stay in place
We need a no barrier best practice with IFC—good neighbor plan has barriers.
Housing First
We've created these units— how do we get chronically homeless into them?
Individual jurisdiction goals
Each jurisdiction will be different based on size, capacity
We all want affordable housing
- Carrboro: Help people stay in their homes and expand the number of units, whether
that's permanently affordable units or just the number of units that are available to
shape the direction of the housing market and availability of housing
- Chapel Hill: More affordable housing units and the SOHRAD because most people who
don't have somewhere else to be tend to hang out in the downtown areas - helping
them transition into better situations helps our downtown
- Hillsborough: Find ways to expand the number of affordable units that don't require
municipal dollars be spent—trying to incentivize
- The County's overarching goal is to be the social safety net. It doesn't build housing, but
can provide other supports
Partnership to End Homelessness
Budget Timeline for Partnership to End Homelessness
Jamezetta presented a proposed budget timeline for the Partnership to End Homelessness,
designed to help be proactive and transparent about steps. See the proposal in the Appendix.
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The group discussed the proposal and agreed that the budget timeline won't be resolved until
we have the bigger discussion about MOUs generally. There was a general agreement that early
February is a good time for managers to hear about budget needs.
IFC
- Further exploration of representation question
- Is there any scenario where there would be comfort with not having representation?
o If there are performance agreements—these work well with several groups
Chapel Hill contracts with
o Orange County assigns department chairs to be responsible for every nonprofit
that receives funding and there is a contract
- IFC is asking for 5-year agreements
Next Steps
1. The group will meet again November 18, noon-1:30. A key focus will be on roles and
responsibilities. Toward that goal, two next steps emerged:
a. Staff will pull together information about the roles and responsibilities of their
jurisdiction, including what is currently happening, number of positions, number of open
positions, ARPA funding impact as programs wind down, capacity, how they approach
MOUS, etc.
b. Big picture of roles and responsibilities for Towns/Counties in NC (School of
Government has resources here - + others)
2. IFC is a topic for further conversation on the near horizon. Discuss Good Neighbor
Initiative.
Check Out
Participants were invited to share a word or phrase that describes what was on their mind at the
end of the meeting:
- Appreciation
- Great tone in the room, Great energy
- Hopeful
- Focused
- Keep moving
- Nearly overwhelming
- Informed
- Collaboration
- Open and honest
Adjourned at 1:33.
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Appendix
Key questions:
Discuss: What are we trying to accomplish? What are our joint and individual jurisdiction goals?
- Where we are in terms of coordinated efforts?
- What issues or gaps do we need to address?Why?
Discuss: What are the roles of the towns versus the county? How can we more clearly define
those roles so that we can best meet the needs of the community?
- What do issues or gaps do we need to address? Why?
Discuss: How do we do a better job of thinking and planning holistically?What is a
vision/goal for future collaboration?
- How do we accomplish our goals/vision?
Other key questions:
How do we use our limited resources to be more effective and efficient in addressing the range
of housing needs in our County?
When we jointly fund efforts, what is the best way to apportion the "fair share" or each
jurisdiction? Traditionally we have done this by population. Is that the best or only way?
Are these joint MOUS the best way to accomplish what we are trying to do, or is there some
other arrangement (like direct contracts) that could work better?
MOUS, Agreements and programs currently being negotiated:
• Orange County Partnership to End Homelessness (MOU)
• SOHRAD—agreement and funding
• InterFaith Council (MOU)—goals and accountability mechanisms
• Orange County Food Council (MOU) - goals, coordination, funding formula
• Diversion facility—capital vs. operating costs
• Community Home Trust (Interlocal Agreement) —generally working well;performance
agreement
Emergency Housing Assistance program (Interlocal Agreement) —evaluation and report out
coming soon (County)
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Draft budget timelime re: Partnership to End Homelessness
OCPEH Executive Team
Funding Process
October 10, 2022
Intro: OCPEH is jointly funded by the Towns of Carrboro, Chapel Hill, Hillsborough, and Orange County
for the purpose of implementing the Plan to End Homelessness. Additionally, OCPEH receives pass-
through grant funding to support homeless programming-Coordinated Entry, Rapid Rehousing,
Homelessness Prevention, and Housing Location. In order to maintain a well-coordinated funding
request process to the four municipalities,the following process is recommended.
September-October
• OCPEH staff will review the previous year's budget, including end of FY spending with the
Executive Team no later than mid-September.
o OCPEH staff will provide additional information, such as outcome reports from
Homeless Management Information System (HMIS) as requested.
• At the Executive Team's Fall meeting, members will discuss and recommend funding levels for
the next FY.The Executive Team will review the gaps analysis, expected federal funding, and the
Partnership continuation budget, along with any expansion budget requests,for evaluation and
develop a minimum threshold for essential staffing and prioritized tiers for expansion or
reduction depending on the budget outlook.These tiers will be aligned with the community
needs as reflected in the Gaps Analysis.
• OCPEH staff will share recommendations to and solicit input from Towns and County Managers
and Housing Directors.
November-January
• OCPEH staff will present system-level data, obstacles, and successes to the Towns and County
elected boards in sessions between November and January and to the Partnership Leadership
Team
January
• Executive Team finalizes approval of budget request.
• OCPEH staff conduct a brief survey during Point-In-Time (PIT) count to solicit input from people
currently experiencing homelessness regarding their prioritized needs (picklist) to inform the
next cycle.
February
• OCPEH staff will present the proposed request budget to the Leadership Team for
comment. Members will be able to provide context and prospective impacts of funding
recommendations, either expansion or reduction, and will receive information about potential
funding availability should they need to consider additional sources of funding and/or explore
additional areas for collaboration.
• Staff will send the formal budget request to the Towns and County Managers, Elected officials,
and Housing Directors
• Staff will incorporate feedback from stakeholders noted above
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March -June
• Staff is available to provide additional information to elected bodies and stakeholders
March - May
• Towns and County Managers present their recommended budgets to their elected boards
April - May
• OCPEH staff conduct community engagement sessions to solicit input, prioritizing people with
lived experience of homelessness and overrepresented groups among people experiencing
homelessness. Sessions will focus on people's lived experience accessing resources, sufficiency
of existing programs, prioritization for additional resources needed. Sessions will also be held for
service providers and stakeholders in order to develop and implement a more consistent tool
for gathering information and measuring performance from providers across time.
May-June
• Elected boards adopt Towns and County budget for upcoming FY
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MMC Meeting regarding Greene Tract
January 10, 2023 / 3:30-5 pm / Virtual
Purpose
For Orange County, Carrboro and Chapel Hill to continue to collaborate around the
future of the Greene Tract.
Participants Meeting Goals
Carrboro: 1. Review draft scope of work for
Damon Seils, Mayor consultant to guide future
Richard White, Town Manager development and connectivity of
Trish McGuire, Planning Director the Greene Tract.
Marty Roupe, Development Review Administrator 2. Consider updates about
Recombination Plat and Deed, as
Chapel Hill: well as the Inman Property
Pam Hemminger, Mayor 3. Identify next steps
Chris Blue, Interim Town Manager
Judy Johnson, Assistant Planning Director
Mary Jane Nirdlinger, Interim Planning Director
Orange County:
Jamezetta Bedford, Chair Orange Board of County
Commissioners
Bonnie Hammersley, County Manager
Travis Myren, Deputy County Manager
Cy Stober, Planning Director
Ashley Moncado, Special Projects Planner
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Meeting Summary
This meeting addressed three topics:
1. Update: Inman Property
2. Master Plan - Draft Scope of Work
3. Update: Recombination Plat and Deed
Details per Topic Area
1. Inman Property: Moving forward with the Environmental Assessment?
Key points
• Environmental Assessment Phase 1 will likely be a couple of thousands of dollars, and take a
week.
• Judy Johnson will work with counterparts to work through scope, make edits as needed
and get underway.
Decision for this area
=> Move forward with the consideration of the proposal for the Environmental Assessment.
2. Master Plan - Draft Scope of Work Presentation here Draft Scope of Work here
The group evaluated whether to release an RFP for a consultant to draft a Master Plan for
the 45 acres identified for future development and connectivity. Ashley Moncado gave the
presentation and emphasized the components of the scope of work would be shaped by the
discussion. Ms. Moncado presented three possible options for the scope of work:
Greene Tract Master ' Draft Scope of Work
Project Coordination and Project Coordination and Project Coordination and
Management Management Management
Research and Analysis Research and Analysis Research and Analysis
Community Engagement Community Engagement Community Engagement
Master Plan(including Connectivity
Connectivity Plan
Master Plan(including Connectivity Plan)
Plan)
School and Recreational Site Analysis
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Key points
• Mayor Hemminger suggested Option 3 is best from public perspective and also from
a staff capacity point of view.
• Mayor Seils suggested in addition to including the Connectivity Plan in Option 3, that
the School and Recreational Site Analysis also be included as part of the Master Plan.
• Chair Bedford added we need to know whether it can be developed for a school.
Having the analysis is important and public perspective leads to do it all. Consultant
can give options.
• Cy Stober added that the Master Plan will identify the development restraints.
Footprint of school campus and parking. Not a site plan.
o Technical work with consultant would not be significantly more expensive.
Additional cost comes in integrating the School Board into the steering
committee of the project. Hasn't happened yet.
• Mayor Seils asked at what point would we need the sign off by our governing
boards?
o Mayor Hemminger added Boards do better when they have something specific
to respond to.The MMC group is empowered to get ideas, but not to
implement.
o Trish McGuire added we would need to develop the interlocal agreement or
modify it regarding the cost share and the project management duties, etc. The
concept is in the resolution, but details aren't.
o Bonnie Hammersley added that RFPs can be released, but Boards would have to
appropriate funds to pay for the work.
• Mayor Seils stressed the importance of communication to ensure expectations are
clear. For example, what is a Master Plan? What's the timeline?
• Chair Bedford would need to keep her Board up to date on the process that we're
going to do the RFP and the timeline. Need an information item.
• Bonnie Hammersley suggested quarterly reports to all Boards on the Greene Tract
moving forward.
• Mayor Seils suggested the following points be included the information update:
o What work has been accomplished by staff team since the last update
o Want to remind Board members work has continued
Decisions for this area
=> Move forward with Option 3 for the RFP
=> Staff will work together to share information with the Boards, coordinate when to share
with the Boards and finalize RFP details, including costs - Estimations should be priced
out separately for different portions of the project
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Process Steps, Summarized
• Staff can send unified RFP and dates all at the same time
• Staff will send information items to Boards at the same time
• Management will work with staff to streamline document for RFP, etc.
• Staff will consolidate and coordinate information to be distributed
• Staff will come to Chairs and Managers about what has been received
3. Recombination Plat and Deed
Key points
• Two town managers have signed off
• Marty Roupe will deliver to Hillsborough for the County to sign off
• Carrboro is working with attorney to have quick claim work for register of deeds
• Mayor Hemminger asked for clarification that the ultimate goal is for the County to
permanently preserve the space? Yes, once the lines are finalized
• It is being recorded and will be on the County agenda to be permanently preserved
• Include this in the information updates
Shared agreements out of this meeting
1. Move forward with the consideration of the proposal for the Environmental
Assessment.
2. Move forward with Option 3 for the RFP
3. Staff will work together to share information with the Boards, coordinate when to
share with the Boards and finalize RFP details, including costs - Estimations should
be priced out separately for different portions of the project
What's Next / Action Items
1. Evaluate what is in the interlocal agreement as to when to engage respective Boards in
the decision
Judy Johnson will work with counterparts to work through scope of work for the
Environmental Assessments, make edits as needed and get underway
3. Staff will work together to evaluate the cost of different parts of the Scope of Work for
the consultant for the Master Plan, coordinate communication content and timing with
the Boards and the public, and finalize the RFPs
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4. Staff will include information updates about the Recombination Plat and Deed in item
#3 above
o It is being recorded and will be on the County agenda to be permanently
preserved
5. Staff will provide updates on the Environmental Assessment when it comes back
6. This MMC group will meet again virtually from 3:30—4:30 pm on Tuesday, April 25th. If
the meeting is not needed, it will be canceled
7. In the future, Maggie will put agendas in the emails and also in the calendar invites
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Orange County — Carrboro — Chapel Hill — Hillsborough
Joint Meeting to Discuss Human Services-related agreements
February 20, 2023, 2-4 pm Orange County Solid Waste Conference Room
Summary Notes
Overall Objective: To develop a more holistic and integrated analysis and approach toward
addressing the community's homeless and broader housing and human services needs in order
to allocate resources in a way that maximizes impacts.
***See page 3 for more context about original guiding questions ***
Participants
Jamezetta Bedford, Chris Blue, Loryn Clark, Matt Efird, Bonnie Hammersley, Margaret Hauth,
Pam Hemminger, Travis Myren, Mary Jane Nirdlinger, Corey Root, Damon Seils, Anne-Marie
Vanaman. Sarah Vinas, Jenn Weaver, Richard White
Facilitation: Maggie Chotas, DSC
Summary Notes
Clarifying the Role and Function of the MMC
After affirming group norms, the group considered the following clarifying questions related to
the role and function of the MMC:
1. How are decisions or plans of action/next steps made in these meetings? How are
different roles taken into account?
- Recommendations may come out of this group, but we don't take formal action in
the MMC
- Timeliness is always a process
- If we don't reach consensus, we can send more than one option to our respective
boards
- This group is an opportunity to learn about where we are and consider where to go
—to see where we sit with high altitude questions
- All are welcome to participate in discussions. Any recommendations will come from
elected officials
2. Request for recording— how to approach this?
The group decided not to have recordings for the meeting. Maggie Chotas, the
facilitator, noted she will summarize notes from flipcharts and her own
contemporaneous notes. As always, draft summary notes will be shared with the group
for review and revision before considered final. After notes are final, they can be
released to governing boards.
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Reviewing & Confirming the agenda
Participants confirmed the following agenda, based on items sent to the facilitator in advance:
1. Follow up from January meeting
2. OCPEH
a. Discussing OCPEH budget process & request
b. Education and clarity re: What's CoC (Continuum of Care) and what's County
c. What is the Partnership? What isn't it? What is the function?
3. Considering how to fund IFC cooperatively— MOU or another approach
4. Systems level analysis— Bigger picture—Tabled for future agendas
a. What is each jurisdiction doing in tackling complex issues?
Working through agenda items
1. Follow up from January meeting
a. Chapel Hill shared updates on process for changing the Good Neighbor Plan:
Pam Hemminger reported that someone from IFC needs to recommend any changes to the
Good Neighbor Plan. Chapel Hill Town Council can't lead the process. Any proposed changes
will be aired in two public hearings and would have to go through the Special Usage Permit
(SUP) modification process, but wouldn't require doing away with the SUP. Considering
changes to the Good Neighbor Plan would not pose a risk of losing the existing permit.
b. County shared updates on the projected amount to be budgeted to give to outside agencies:
Travis Myren reported the projected amount to be 1.2% of general fund expenditures
minus $1.8 million. He noted that target has already been exceeded for the current fiscal
year.
2. OCPEH
a. OCPEH budget process & request
b. Education and clarity re: What's CoC and what's County
c. What is the Partnership? What isn't it? What is the function?
Bonnie Hammersley noted the budget is supported by the four entities; oversight is an elected
member of each jurisdiction who makes up the Executive Committee. The decision-making goes
from the Executive Committee to the Leadership Team. Last year (2021), the Executive
Committee didn't meet regularly.
Some context is that when Corey Root started in 2016, the Partnership had one position. Now
there are three positions funded by OCPEH (Homeless Programs Manager, Homeless Programs
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Coordinator, and the Housing Access Coordinator); the remaining positions and program
funding is grant funded (pass through dollars from HUD and other sources).
As the group's discussion ensured, it was revealed there were different understandings of how
OCPEH functions. Bonnie Hammersley noted her understanding that OCPEH was independent
of the County. For example, as County Manager, Bonnie Hammersley said she is in the same
boat as other managers and hasn't seen the draft budget. Damon Seils, however, noted the
Governance Charter did not delineate such independence and his understanding is that the
Partnership is a coalition essentially administrating programs on behalf of the County. Margaret
Hauth noted that OCPEH was modelled after the Visitor's Bureau and was meant to be
independent. Loyrn Clark remembered that as well. They are OCPEH employees; an
organization within an organization. Bonnie Hammersley made the point that employees of
OCPEH couldn't be employees of four jurisdictions; none of the growth has been due to the
work of County.
Loryn Clark added OCPEH started with a Chapel Hill employee, then took on a different level.
There has been a disconnect when programs started to grow. We've missed having the
conversation, digging deeper into roles and responsibilities and who should do what.
OCPEH moving into direct service work, beyond the coordination work serving as the
Continuum of Care (CoC) is a major departure of what we've done. Corey Root noted that there
has been an issue with finding service providers to do the direct service work identified in the
Homeless System Gaps. At one point in 2017, OCPEH had funding in hand for a Street Outreach
program and could not find a service provider partner to do this work. In 2020 when COVID
funding became available again for Street Outreach it was jointly sponsored by Orange County
Housing and Criminal Justice Resource Department.
3. Considering how to fund IFC cooperatively— MOU or another approach
The group began the conversation about this item with a review of the current state of
payments to IFC:
- County pays IFC quarterly
- Hillsborough hasn't committed yet; waiting on an audit
- Chapel Hill pays quarterly. Currently is waiting for a report and then IFC can submit
an invoice
- Carrboro is waiting for a budget request
Jenn Weaver noted that she feels conflicted about funding IFC. IFC fills an important role for the
County, but it's hard to justify for Hillsborough. She isn't sure if it's the best use of
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Hillsborough's funds. She noted they haven't discussed as a Board yet. She wondered if more
people would use the services if they were closer. Corey Root added she wasn't sure that was
true. Jenn Weaver continued four different agreements for IFC feels hard.
Pam Hemminger agreed that four different agreements feel excessive—even with simplified
forms, they have to send information into four places. It's a burden on them.
Bonnie Hammersley added IFC wants consistency and commitment, like the Community Home
Trust. She noted she wasn't advocating for that, but clarifying IFC's interests. If this were a
County program, we would do it differently. IFC doesn't meet all needs, for example—they
were scrambling for cold weather beds.
Jamezetta Bedford noted she feels conflicted as well and we don't do an interlocal agreement
for other essential agencies. She added she personally didn't believe in 1.2% set-aside for all of
the County's outside agenda funding as she didn't think Commissioners should be bound to a
percentage. Five years seems too long. Critical priorities change from year to year. The County
Facility Needs Report will come out next month and it will be good to know our needs projected
out 20 years. If we commit to a five-year timeframe with an IFC agreement, are we going to be
able to do the work we need to do to be future-focused?
Pam Hemminger summarized that everyone is feeling conflicted: wanting to support changing
the model for shelter and reducing homelessness, but not sure the timing is right for signing a
five-year agreement. What would next steps look like?
Damon Seils said if the agreement is shared, what is the right approach among jurisdictions?
If we assume it's a joint responsibility, what is the split?
Bonnie Hammersley explained how the outside-agency funding process works with the County.
The County tells the outside agencies the functions the County needs them to perform because
the County isn't doing them and the agencies are funded to fulfill those needs. Damon Seils
noted it's different for the municipalities because they are not hiring outside agencies to
perform essential functions—they are not things the municipalities would normally do. For
Hillsborough, the process works differently. There are MOUS with the Arts Council and the
Exchange Club for helping with the museum.
Jamezetta Bedford emphasized that the homeless services aren't mandated for the County to
provide either. Bonnie Hammersley underscored COVID funding sunsets in March, which will
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result in $1.3 million a month not coming into the County to help with food and housing. All
moratoriums are expired. There is greater need now in housing and food than before COVID.
Jenn Weaver reflected that she sees IFC as a County function philosophically and she hears that
the County doesn't have the funds. The ask from IFC to Hillsborough is $42,000—would that be
better if we put it upstream?
Additional considerations: what would the needs would be if IFC has to close? If the Good
Neighbor Plan changes, would there be more funding? Corey Root added CoC monies aren't
allowed for shelter. Bonnie Hammersley explained that there are so many competing priorities.
Half of the County's budget goes to public schools. Sarah Vinas added that the IFC has said that
even if the Good Neighbor Plan is changed significantly, it would only mean an increase of 17
beds. Corey Root added that Rapid Rehousing would help. Jamezetta Bedford asked if there is a
way to prioritize the most vulnerable—a tiered system that protects the most fragile?
Next Steps
The group agreed to the following next steps:
1. Review foundational documents' regarding the OCPEHI, including the Governance
Charter and the MOU.
2. Update the list of cross-jurisdictional MOUs and programs currently being
negotiated to reflect the following:
- SOHRAD shouldn't be singled out, or other similar programs should be listed as well;
- The Orange County Food Council MOU has expired and OCBOCC voted not to
continue.
3. The MMC group will reconvene after May 2. In the meantime,jurisdictions will work
through their own budgeting processes.
Adjourn
The meeting was adjourned at 4 pm.
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MMC Meeting regarding Greene Tract
April 25, 2023 / 3:30- 4:30 pm / Virtual
Purpose
For Orange County, Carrboro and Chapel Hill to continue to collaborate around the
future of the Greene Tract.
Participants Meeting Goals
Carrboro: 1. Share updates since the last
Damon Seils, Mayor meeting on January 10, 2023.
Richard White, Town Manager 2. Discuss plan for the Inman
Trish McGuire, Planning Director Property purchase.
Marty Roupe, Development Review Administrator 3. Identify next steps.
Chapel Hill:
Pam Hemminger, Mayor
Chris Blue, Interim Town Manager
Britany Waddell, Planning Director
Judy Johnson, Assistant Planning Director
Orange County:
Jamezetta Bedford, Chair Orange Board of County
Commissioners
Bonnie Hammersley, County Manager
Travis Myren, Deputy County Manager
Cy Stober, Planning Director
Ashley Moncado, Special Projects Planner
Meeting Summary
This meeting addressed three topics:
1. Updates since the meeting on January 10, 2023
2. Status of the RFPs for Greene Tract Master Plan
3. Discuss Inman Property Purchases
Shared agreements out of this meeting
Move forward with...
1. Re: RFPs: notifying RFP respondent of rejection; gathering information from firms
who did not submit RFPs; and creating new RFQs with timelines that split the process
into two parts (community engagement and technical design services);
2. Re: Inman Property— Boards consider purchasing the Inman Property, with the hope
of votes happening before June 30tH
What's Next / Action Items
1. Staff will follow necessary process and notify respondent that their RFP will not be
accepted.
2. Staff will gather feedback from firms who attended information session and did not
submit RFPs.
3. Staff will develop a new process and timeline for requesting RFQs and splitting the
process.
4. Judy Johnson will share her PPT and written documents relating to the Inman Property.
5. Travis Myren will review MOU section relating to shared ownership and exiting as it
applies to future ownership of the Inman Property.
6. All jurisdictions will communicate necessary information with respective Boards to get
approval of Inman Property purchase, with the hope for this happening by June 30.
7. This MMC group will meet again virtually from 3:30—4 pm on Tuesday, May 16, 2023 to
review the timeline for the RFQs.
8. This MMC group will meet again virtually from 3:30—4:30 pm on June 27, 2023.
o Chris Blue will ask Anita Badrock to facilitate the meeting.
o The purpose of this meeting will be to finalize the plan for the Inman property
and the RFP/ RFQ process.
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Details per Topic Area
1. Updates since the last meeting on January 10, 2023
Key points
• Chair Bedford has not shared the January notes with her Board, because the sale of land
is a closed session item and the sale is still pending.
• Mayor Hemminger shared that Chapel Hill had an open discussion about the sale of land
because it was related to fund balance.
• Ashley Moncado shared that,just today, she took the plat and the deed to the Orange
County Register of Deeds office. They accepted it so it is being processed. We should
see a change on the tax and GIS records soon.
o This step was necessary for the Orange County Commissioners to consider
preserving the land.
o When the deeds are official, they will be mailed to the County Managers office.
Ashley will be checking daily to see when it is officially recorded.
o Once the deed is official, we will meet with the Orange County DPR staff to
discuss conservation of the 60 acres.
■ Chair Bedford added that her Board does know about DPR doing this plan
as it was an open session item.
2. RFPs for the Greene Tract Master Plan: Adapting the process for RFPs
Key points
• Cy Stober shared that the County released the RFP in late March, and they were due on
April 18, 2023. The County only received one proposal totaling $367,000, and
unfortunately, this proposal was lacking with regard to community engagement.
• Given the importance of the project to Rogers Road, community engagement is a critical
piece of the proposal. Without this important section, we are not comfortable
recommending this proposal.
o Judy Johnson explained that her team was also disappointed with the proposal.
Although we want this process to move forward, we shouldn't just accept
something that doesn't meet the needs.
• Mayor Seils asked why there was a poor response to the outreach of proposals?
o It would be interesting to know why the other groups did not submit proposals.
o Cy Stober added that five firms attended the information session, and there
were almost no questions. Out of the five firms, only one submitted a proposal.
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o Mayor Hemminger added that it would be helpful to reach out directly to
Renaissance Partners to see why they did not submit an RFP, especially given
their previous work in the community. She agreed with Judy that we don't just
want to accept any proposal.
• Mayor Hemminger added that the SAPFO report came out stating that no new schools
are projected in the school system for at least 10 years.
• Cy Stober presented the solution of splitting this project into two proposals: (1) a
community engagement RFQ; and (2) a technical services RFQ for the design element.
o Going the RFQ route would allow for great negotiation and for the community
engagement consultant to sit on the steering committee for the technical
services work.
o Trish McGuire added that we should develop questions to ask the firms
regarding why they didn't respond. We can use that feedback to help shape next
steps. It is a big important project and not an insignificant amount of money.
o Mayor Seils asked if these two approaches would be parallel or sequential?
■ Cy Stober responded that the group discussed having a 4-6 month lag,
whereby the community engagement work would have at least a 3-4
month head start.
■ Mayor Seils suggested it might be good to hear from the firms before we
adopt and finalize any new approach.
■ Chair Bedford asked if the 4-6 month delay was related to the meeting
calendar? She noted that she can call another meeting if needed.
Next steps
1) Notify the respondent that their RFP was not accepted
2) Reach out to all firms who attended the information session to get more information
about why they didn't respond to the RFP; and
3) Develop an alternative strategy with a corresponding timeline.
=> Judy Johnson will put together a timeline within the next week or two, and
all groups can share the same information with their Boards as an
information message in the Board packets in the next week or two
4) This MMC group will meet again to evaluate the new timeline.
3. Inman Property Purchases
Judy Johnson explained that an environmental assessment was completed at the property a
month ago, and nothing significant was found on the site. There was small concern about
the mounds, and whether we needed to do additional work on those. The environmental
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assessment did not identify any potential contamination sources in the mounds. The debris
observed would be able to be disposed at a permitted landfill.
Judy added that she has continued to have conversations with the property owner to
purchase the property. Is there interest among partners to participate in those discussions?
Key Points
• All jurisdictions are open to moving forward with purchasing the property. All groups
still need full approval from each respective Board/Council.
• Mayor Hemminger expressed hope that everyone can be supportive. There is no way
into the larger property without going through the Inman property. This property
could be used for affordable property in the future. We still need to work out
negotiations from the Church of the Advocate as we need a small part of their land
to make this work. Chapel Hill is ready to move forward with spending the money on
their portion of the property.
• Chair Bedford added that her Commissioners haven't discussed it yet. Do we have an
update on the price? Would mobile homes be considered for this property?
o Mayor Hemminger responded that we would want something denser and
more energy efficient. There are no utilities there now, so we would likely
look to a housing partner to do something there. It could be of interest to
Community Home Trust, Habitat for Humanity, or Tiny Homes.
• Richard White asked about the timeline for this transaction, and there was
agreement around trying to purchase the property before the end of this fiscal year.
It would be helpful to have a packet of information to share with the Council.
o Next step—Judy Johnson will share her PPT and packet of information with
all partners.
• Mayor Hemminger added that this family will sell to someone else if we don't go
ahead and buy it now.
• Mayor Seils added that we should be able to get the information in front of his
Council soon.
• Travis Myren asked how much of the property would be required for Greene Tract
access versus other purposes? His Board would want to have this information.
o Chair Bedford responded that this would be contingent on getting the
easement with the Church. That needs to happen simultaneously.
• Cy Stober added that he recently met with David Stancil and let him know this issue
might elevate again soon, given the RFP. He is pivoting to make sure newer staff
members are aware of what to expect.
• Judy Johnson added that she went over to the property recently when people called
about chainsaws. There were men building jumps.
o For safety reasons, individuals shouldn't go alone to respond to concerns and
need to involve Public Safety.
o The land is not open to the public.
o Judy shared that there will be trails, likely within the Headwater Preserve in
the future.
• Mayor Seils asked what information is needed from each jurisdiction in order to
move forward with this?
o Mayor Hemminger noted we will need to know if you are in, and we will need
to have a vote to move forward before arranging for an attorney for the
closing. Hoping for votes to happen before June 30th, so closing can occur
over the summer.
o There is an offer out for$450,000 for the 4 acres, and there will be closing
costs.
o We need confirmation that we are ready to go so that we can pass it by the
end of June 30tH
o Mayor Hemminger added that once the property is purchased, this group can
discuss the best use of the land and take that back to our Boards.
o Judy Johnson confirmed that the zoning for the property is for single-family
residential use and that there are three, lawfully created lots there.
o The zoning could be changed in the future if the three Boards would like to
see a different use of the land.
• Chair Bedford asked who will be the point person to connect with the Church, noting
to her it's contingent on having the access from the Church?
o Judy Johnson will work with the Church as they have worked together
previously. Judy will work with the partners to have those conversations.
o Travis Myren asked if we have talked about ownership structure? It will take
time to get those documents in place. We would need something more
formal than the Greene Tract ownership model, so that there would be a way
for parties to exit if desired.
■ Mayor Hemminger added that we have that already in the MOU with
the Greene Tract. Travis will review the Greene Tract MOU regarding
that section to see how it's applicable in this case.
o Chair Bedford added that she can imagine that her Board would want to own
the road; whereas Chapel Hill might want to own the portion for residential
property. We should expect those questions from our Boards.
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MMC Meeting regarding Greene Tract
August 30, 2023 /3:30- 5 pm /Chapel Hill Public Works Building
Purpose
For Orange County, Carrboro and Chapel Hill to continue to collaborate around the
future of the Greene Tract.
Participants Meeting Goals
Carrboro: 1. Updates on Inman Property.
Damon Seils, Mayor 2. Review of Community
Richard White, Town Manager Engagement process.
Marie Parker, Assistant Town Manager 3. Update on Master Plan process.
Trish McGuire, Planning Director 4. Identify next steps.
Marty Roupe, Development Review Administrator
Chapel Hill:
Chris Blue, Interim Town Manager
Britany Waddell, Planning Director
Judy Johnson, Assistant Planning Director
Pam Hemminger,Absent due to illness
Orange County:
Jamezetta Bedford, Chair Orange Board of County
Commissioners
Travis Myren, Deputy County Manager
Cy Stober, Planning Director
Perdita Holtz, Deputy Director— Long-Range
Planning &Administration
Meeting Summary
This meeting addressed the following topics:
1. Update on the Inman Property
2. Review of Community Engagement process
3. Update on Master Plan process
Shared agreements out of this meeting
The MMC decided to recommend...
■ To negotiate the contract with Gensler as the Community Engagement Consultant to
include the base and optional activities outlined in their proposal. The total cost of
the proposal would be $360,000
o Each Board will consider their portion of the consultant fees in their
September or early October meetings before the item is presented to the
Board of County Commissioners as part of the Consent Agenda' on October
17, 2023.
o Consultant will be confirmed by the end of the year.
■ To follow the Town of Chapel Hill Review process in the development of the Greene
Tract
o Staff members will develop a matrix of standards/codes to flag as decision
points
■ Information will be shared with the MMC before sharing it with the
design consultant; expected to design consultant by the end of the
year.
■ To have staff members develop a matrix to compare a development agreement v.
conditional zoning and share with the MMC.
■ When the time is right, for staff members to talk with new property owners of the
Inman Property to discuss access point to the Greene Tract.
■ For Cy Stober to talk with Gensler to get their thoughts about benefits/drawbacks/
considerations regarding whether to use a compass group/steering committee.
o Once gathered, staff will share this information with MMC.
■ For the MMC to meet again the week of October 17.
o Polling will determine exact date, time and location.
Chair Bedford emailed follow-up on 9/11/2023 that this would be on the BOCC regular agenda, instead
of the consent agenda
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Details per Topic Area
1. Updates on the Inman Property
Key points
• Chris Blue shared that the group did not get the Inman Property. It went to a higher
bidder, who offered approximately $30,000 more.
• It may still be possible to get access to the Greene Tract from the new owners.
o It is not clear when the sale will be finalized, but staff will continue to monitor.
2. Review of Engagement Process
Key Points
■ Cy Stober discussed responses to the RFP for the Community Engagement
Consultant. (The MMC previously decided to split the project into two proposals—one for
Community Engagement and one for Professional Services to Design a Master Plan.)
o Better response this time. They received around 5 proposals; had two
interviews; and have awarded a preliminary contract to Gensler.
o Gensler gave an excellent presentation on how to re-engage with a group of
people who feel like they have been engaged exhaustively.
o VHB will be a subcontractor of Gensler as they are more "on the ground"
locally.
o The review group was comprised of representatives from all three
jurisdictions, and the proposals were vetted through Equity and Inclusion
staff.
o Gensler proposed a 16-month timeline for their engagement.
o The engagement team will be working with the community to identify design
and development interests, specify uses, clarify maximum and minimum
development parameters, and deliver these to the design consultant.
■ The group discussed which standards will apply for the new design.
o Brittany Waddell suggested that the group use Chapel Hill standards, unless
one of the other jurisdictions has a more restrictive standard.
o Staff will develop a matrix of standards/codes to flag and bring back this
information to the MMC.
■ This information will be needed by the end of the year.
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o Chair Bedford noted that it will be good to work through these issues ahead
of time since the community will have questions and concerns that will need
to be addressed.
o Staff will develop a pros/cons list to compare a development agreement
versus conditional zoning. The MMC will need this information for future
planning.
■ MMC decided to follow the Town of Chapel Hill development standards in
development of the Greene Tract.
o It makes the most sense to follow the development standards of the
entitlement agency, unless there is a significant reason to deviate from the
standards.
■ Discussion around the timing of the community engagement and design processes.
o The engagement piece will start first, and then the design award will follow.
There will be overlap when the engagement consultant is working with the
design team.
■ More details from the Engagement Consultant's proposal:
o All social media will be done by the public partners on this project—
messaging will continue to be managed by staff and not the consultant, for
consistency.
o Proposal included plans to table at already scheduled community events.
o Optional
■ Some of these options come with a higher price tag.
■ Proposal would be $270,100 total, with add-ons bringing the total to
$360,000.
o Engagement services include listening sessions, temporary installation of oral
histories.
■ Discussion around whether to include a "compass group" as part of the engagement
process:
o Chair Bedford expressed concerns about elevating some interests and voices
over others in a compass group format, as well as that it could be time
consuming and end in the same place.
o Brittany Waddell emphasized the importance of being proactive and front-
loading community engagement.
o Mayor Seils noted that we are not starting from a "clean sheet" but instead,
we are starting with the Mapping Our Community's Future report.
o Cy Stober noted the importance of robust community engagement that tells
the story of the future.
o Trish McGuire noted that there are examples of polarized groups that have
made progress and achieved a shared outcome via a similar group.
o Brittany Waddell added that if we do have a compass group, it must be clear
how their feedback will be used. What weight will we give the group?
o The MMC agreed that the compass group would focus on "how we develop
the Greene Tract, not if we develop the Greene Tract," including the
information in the 2021 Resolutions and ILA (Interlocal Agreement).
o Richard White raised a concern about equity as it relates to the groups that
have been engaged in the past.
o Mayor Seils added that people on the compass group/steering committee
cannot be there to undermine decisions that have already been made. The
group should be composed of members who are already on-board with the
process.
■ Discussion around how to determine composition of the compass group, if that
option is implemented:
o Staff offered three different options:
(1) Option 1 —Equal appointments by a113 boards
(2) Option 2—Number of appointments based on 2021 ILA Cost Share
(43/43/14)
(3) Option 3—One Board appoints all members
o No decision was made in this meeting. The MMC will continue to discuss.
o Action step—Staff will ask consultant following questions:
o Have you used a strategy with a steering committee that had effective
outcomes, especially when interests are polar opposites?
o Importance of how we use information from the steering committee—
What happens if their input isn't taken seriously?
o Importance of targeting voices we might not hear regularly in the
spirit of advancing equity
• MMC decided to accept the higher figures offered by Gensler and everyone agreed
to pay portions for each respective jurisdiction.
o As an interim step, each Board will consider higher amounts in September or
early October, before the item is presented to the Board of County
Commissioners on the Consent Agenda on October 17, 2023.
3. Update on Master Plan Process
Staff shared update on the RFP process for Master Design Services.
Key Points
• Staff is currently reviewing 6 applications for the Master Design Services contract.
• Staff does not yet know the cost associated with the Master Plan Design Services.
• The MMC will decide on funding for the Master Plan at a later point.
The meeting adjourned at 5:05 pm.