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MINUTES
ORANGE COUNTY
BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS
RETREAT
June 23, 2022
9:00 a.m.
The Orange County Board of Commissioners met for their annual Board retreat on Thursday,
June 23, 2022 at 9:00 a.m. at the Bonnie B. Davis Center in Hillsborough, NC.
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS PRESENT: Chair Renee Price, Vice Chair Jamezetta Bedford,
and Commissioners Amy Fowler, Sally Greene, Jean Hamilton, Earl McKee (attended
virtually), and Anna Richards
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ABSENT: None.
COUNTY ATTORNEYS PRESENT: John Roberts
COUNTY STAFF PRESENT: County Manager Bonnie Hammersley, Deputy County Manager
Travis Myren, and Deputy Clerk to the Board Tara May. (All other staff members will be
identified appropriately below)
FACILITATOR: Lydian Altman, UNC School of Government
Chair Price called the meeting to order at 9:05 am.
Commissioner McKee was present via Zoom.
Welcome
Chair Price welcomed the attendees and thanked the planning committee and
department staff for their work in making the retreat possible. She thanked the facilitator Lydian
Altman for being present and spoke about the opportunities available through the UNC School
of Government for commissioners.
Lydian Altman thanked Chair Price for speaking about the school of government and
agreed there are many opportunities for Commissioners to learn more, including virtual options.
She said she is glad to be present after the retreat was initially delayed.
Overview and Discussion Guidelines
Lydian Altman reviewed the following PowerPoint slides:
Orange County Board .
Commissioners Retreat
9:00 am to 4:00 pm
QV 1 V C I Cen H.r Yu6k Lead—hip and Governance
Lydian Altman said she prepared slides to help guide the Board's discussion. She
reviewed several flip chart sheets with various headers to hold the Board's thoughts and ideas
from the discussion, and said she will be keeping thematic notes as well.
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GETTING STARTED
Overview
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Introductions a Refleotion
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Lydian Altman shared that she works with the School of Government, and her area of
expertise is strategic planning. She also said she has been doing facilitation for a long time. In
addition to the opportunities through the School of Government for commissioners, she shared
that there are also professional opportunities for staff in county government.
Today We Intend to;
A_ To strengthen relationships and begin building a high performing board
by considering what elements would help this board perform at their
best-
Develop a set of operating principles and behavioral changes that help
guide how the council wants to work together and with senior staff
{see handout}[Deliverable]
8. To explore how"Article 46" proceeds could be reallocated
Identify the process by which the decision For reallocation would be
made. [Deliverable]
C. To review progress towards the county's goals,consider whether
changes are needed, and hear about best practices in strategic
planning.
Create list of reaffirmed andfor up-to-date goals. [Deliverable]
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Lydian Altman said that these were the three big topics for today's retreat, but they
would be addressed in a different order. She said the primary goal is to discuss strengthening
relationships. She said when the retreat planning first began, the Board was not meeting in
person and the planning committee wanted to discuss how the Board can operate better
together, become a high-performing Board, and govern the most efficiently and effectively.
Lydian Altman said the intention behind the Article 46 proceeds discussion is not to get
down into the details as much as what are the criteria if the Board would like to make changes.
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Lydian Altman said reviewing the Board's goals will be in between the other discussions.
She said there are many different goals from previous Boards, and this is an opportunity to
catch everyone up to how the goals came to be, how they are being used, and think about the
effectiveness, relevance, and importance of the goals. She said she will give a brief
presentation about best practices in strategic planning, and then the Board can use the best
practices in thinking about their own goals.
Lydian Altman said there will be discussion on next steps related to each of these topics.
Guidelines for Effective Meetings
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Lydian Altman went through examples of the "Guidelines for Effective Meetings" on the
slide above, and encouraged the Board to follow the guidelines for today's retreat.
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Lydian Altman reviewed the "Scale of Agreement" on the slide above.
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specific elements which, if changed, would lead to agreement,
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Commissioner Greene asked how the scale will be used throughout the discussion.
Lydian Altman said she may ask the Commissioners to stand up at the end of the day to
see where they stand and what it may take to move from a position of disagreement to
agreement, if applicable.
Introductions and Getting Started
Lydian Altman guided introductions and posed the question "As you've settled into your
role, what's one principle that's emerged to help you govern?"
Introductions
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Commissioner Bedford said she has been in Orange County for around 30 years, and
has been on the Board of Commissioners for 3.5 years. She said one of her guiding principles
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is to make decisions based on what is good for residents rather than what is good for re-
election.
Commissioner Richards said she has lived in Orange County for 10 years next month,
and has been on the Board since September 2021. She said one principle she follows is to be
well informed on all aspects of an issue before making a decision.
Commissioner McKee said a principle he uses is to remember that collaboration is
critical to moving forward on any issue. He said there have been things during his last twelve
years on the Board that he's not been willing to collaborate on or make accommodations for,
but those are few and far between. He said that this current Board is extremely collaborative.
Commissioner Fowler said she is a lifelong North Carolinian, and has lived in Orange
County for 30-some years. She said she has been on the Board for 1.5 years and was on the
Chapel Hill-Carrboro School Board before that. She said she is a pediatrician, so most of her
focus is doing what is best for kids. As for a principle that guides her, she said her son has
autism and she talks with him about perspective taking all the time. She said she tries to
understand where people are coming from and the position they are taking because of it.
Commissioner Greene said she moved to North Carolina 35 years ago. She said she
has been on Board for about 3.5 years, and served on the Chapel Hill Town Council before
that. She said when she first ran for office, her priority was helping people with the least
resources among us, those who need help the most, and she still tries to govern by that
principle.
Commissioner Hamilton said she has lived in Orange County for 21 years. She has
been on the Board for 1.5 years. She said she makes decisions by understanding both sides of
an issue and understanding the long-term implications vs. the short-term and accepting that
there are trade-offs and then justifying those trade-offs.
Chair Price said she has been in Orange County for 30-some years, and has been on
the board for 10 years. She said a principle that helps her govern is listening to everyone to
understand their concerns and values. She said she and Commissioner McKee have done
listening sessions in the past and it's helpful to understanding what is behind people's
viewpoints.
Bonnie Hammersley said she has been in Orange County as County Manager for 8
years. She said her guiding principle as the County Manager is to inform not influence the
Board when making decisions.
Travis Myren said he has been in Orange County as Deputy County Manager for 7
years. In working with the Board he said he tries to provide the Board the best information
available along with a detailed analysis to help them make decisions.
Lydian Altman said this conversation sets the tone for discussing how to do this work
together in the best possible way. She said the Board has staff and department directors who
also work hard to provide information so they can make decisions in an informed way with
various perspectives in mind.
Commissioner Richards said she believes that this Board works well together, so she is
surprised that they will be spending half the day discussing and working on Board relations.
She said she thought they would work more on strategy and planning.
Commissioner Bedford said the planning committee was unsure if Board members
wanted to strategize, but did leave time for that as well. She said she agrees that the Board
does work well together, but believes there are small things that can be worked on the make it
even better. She said the committee believed the retreat was really the only available time for
that discussion. She added that due to the delay of the retreat, some of the initial items that
were proposed for discussion were already talked about at work sessions.
Lydian Altman said she agrees with Commissioner Bedford's understanding. She said
what she heard from the planning committee was that the Board does work well together, and
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there are always ways to improve to be an even higher performing board. She said there is only
a short conversation on goals, which worries her a little bit because there is so much there to
talk about, but this is an opportunity to think about the work at hand around the goals, because
there isn't a lot of time to dive into the goals themselves.
Commissioner Hamilton said she actually doesn't think the Board works well together.
She said in order to accomplish more, spending time talking about how to operate better
together will help. She said the Board gets along well, but can be more effective and efficient in
getting information and addressing the many issues the Board has to deal with.
Lydian Altman asked if there was any interest in changing the order of the agenda or the
time allotted for each discussion.
Commissioner Richards said she believes the reason for any issues in working together
or navigating is because the Board doesn't have a full understanding of their goals. She said
she thought the Board would spend more time talking about that. She said as a new person,
she's always looking at how things are connected, the outcome, the history, the long-term look.
Lydian Altman said she felt there was a desire from the committee on what to do with
the goals as well because the Board has a lot of important things to do, but they also wanted to
balance how well the Board works together in order to get that important work done.
What next for `Article 46' Allocations
• History
* Information
ARTICLE ' • Guidance for making the
decision about changes
- Next Steps
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Lydian Altman reviewed the plan for this discussion topic. She asked Travis Myren to give
an overview on the history of Article 46 allocations.
Travis Myren said Article 46 was adopted by referendum in 2011 and came to the ballot
in 2012. He said the question on the ballot was straight forward, but there was a resolution
adopted by the Board at the time that split the proceeds to schools facility and technology
needs at 50% and economic development at 50% over a 10 year period. He said the money is
allocated to the school systems based on average daily membership (ADM). The Board
reviewed the agenda attachment titled "Article 46 Uses by Type of Obligation". Travis Myren
said that the document was created by Steve Brantley, Economic Development Director, and
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Economic Development staff. He also explained the difference between items with obligations
versus items that are discretionary.
Commissioner Richards said when Article 46 first passed she understood that there was
a commitment to economic development. She said she has heard people say the tax was
originally passed for economic development.
Travis Myren said economic development was not part of the ballot question, but all of
the information publicized at the time discussed Economic Development and the schools, so
there was some context.
Commissioner Bedford asked what the legal ballot said.
Travis Myren said the ballot read "For or against local sales and use tax at a rate of 0.25
of a cent in addition to all other sales and use taxes".
Commissioner Bedford asked if it said what the proceeds would go to.
Chair Price said no. She explained there was a debate about being more specific on the
ballot, but they were told they had to be limited in the wording. She said the community
promotion for the tax was specific about what it would be spent on.
Chair Price asked if the Board needs to do another resolution for the next 5-10 years.
Travis Myren said he thinks this discussion is for the Board to decide next steps.
Commissioner Bedford asked if there are any limitations on what the tax can legally be
spent on.
Travis Myren said he will find that out.
Commissioner Hamilton said she has been wanting to take a look at Article 46 and have
a process for determining if the current 50-50 division between education and economic
development is appropriate. She said there are significant needs for school facilities and the
funding is limited, this money was specifically designed to promote both economic development
and school needs. She asked if it is time to rebalance the split in light of the need. She clarified
that she does not think the Board needs to decide this now, but should determine what process
to take to get feedback from the community on this.
Commissioner Greene said when she reviewed the list of where the money is going for
discretionary items, she said she believes $5,000 could be moved here or there, but they are all
worthy causes that she would want to fund another way in the budget. She said when reading
the agenda attachment "Overview of Orange County's Key Economic Development Programs,
Expenditures & Return on Investment Measures Tied to Article 46," there is a lot of bang for the
buck. She said the money is already being spent on what the community wants.
Commissioner Fowler asked where the funding for these programs came from prior to
Article 46.
Travis Myren said prior to the adoption of the tax, the economic development programs
didn't exist. He said the Economic Development Department funding was moved to Article 46
during the pandemic, but used to be funded by the general fund.
Bonnie Hammersley said they were following the model of the visitors' bureau when
making that decision, which is funded by occupancy tax.
Commissioner Bedford said she appreciated receiving more information on this during
budget discussions. She said she agrees with Commissioner Greene that there are a few things
that could be changed, but to still fund them would be a quarter cent tax increase. She said as
much as she wants to provide more money for schools, she doesn't want to spend more time
looking at this. She said she really wants to get the sewage done North of 1-40 in Efland, which
will increase the debt. She said they are fortunate that some companies like Thermo-Fischer
are coming in and are not asking for incentives. She said she is surprised that even with all the
development, the gross tax revenue is $3 million. She said they have got to diversify the tax
base. She said right now unemployment is so low and there are a wider variety of jobs paying at
or above living wages. She said she doesn't want to spend the time to do community outreach
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and the whole process it would take to split $2 million. She said she would rather continue to
focus on economic development and work with the schools boards to get more funding, but the
way to raise revenue is more revenue through economic development. She said there she
thinks there are some items being funded with Article 46 proceeds that the Board could provide
direction on, but views it more as the job of the County Manager. She said if the Board does
strategic planning, then the use of the proceeds and the budget can be tied to it.
Lydian Altman said from the comments, she's heard two things; first, does the Board
want to revisit this, and if so, what might a process be for doing that. She invited others to
comment.
Commissioner McKee said he believes the Board knows his opinion on Article 46. He
said he heard a question about what the county did for economic development before Article
46, and the answer is the county did nothing and got nothing, to the point that the state did not
refer companies to Orange County because it was considered a waste of time. He said he
believes the vote on Article 46 went before the voters with the understanding that 50% would be
spent on economic development, though this Board or a future Board can change that. He said
since this money has become available, the economic development picture in Orange County
has radically changed, and he credited a lot of the change to Morinaga taking a leap of faith
and developing here. He said a goal should be to continue attracting businesses that fit, which
includes having money to do it, and the only way to do that is to use Article 46 proceeds, or
raise taxes.
Commissioner Richards said her buzzword as a new commissioner is responsible
development to encourage and support a strong safety net. She said there cannot be a strong
safety net without economic development. She said it's because of all the county needs that
she would like even more funding to go to economic development. She said there is a lot of
bang for the buck with money going toward economic development. For example, she said $2
million for economic development can go a lot further than $2 million going to schools
compared to the much larger amount of money the schools actually need.
Chair Price said she thinks they funding for both economic development and education
is important. She said she has seen a lot of growth since the county dedicated money to
economic development. She said this special sales and use tax has helped take some of the
burden off of the property tax base. Chair Price said having more economic development can
provide a foundation for other things to happen like community development and more funding
to schools. With that said, she also acknowledged that the schools need more funding. She
asked if the Board would like to update the Resolution passed in 2011 to determine what to do
for the next 5-10 years.
Commissioner Hamilton said it is okay to hear disagreement because this is a good
example of money the Board uses automatically but doesn't stop to look at even though the
resolution said it would be reviewed in 10 years. She said it demonstrates how there aren't
processes in place to review and follow up on past decisions. She said she hears the point
about the benefits of investing in economic development, but schools are also an economic
development issue because they are one of the things that draws businesses and people into
the community. She said schools are at a tipping point where Orange County may not be as
attractive as surrounding communities due to the schools, which will have an impact on
economic development. She thanked staff for the detailed breakdown of revenues from
different economic development projects. She said she was surprised to see how little return
some projects are providing now, but understands there will be greater return in the long run.
She said it's important to think about this when determining what to invest in now vs. later, and
with schools and children there is an impact that cannot be quantified in the data provided. She
said there is no information on the return on investment in schools, no information on the
benefits to the community from the county's investment in schools. Further, she said the
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information does not include the cost of economic development to the community like increased
traffic or costs to schools. She said the Board isn't seeing the full cost benefits and to keep that
in mind. She clarified that she is not saying the investments in economic development are not
needed.
Lydian Altman said it doesn't sound like there is an appetite on the Board to go through
a process to change the allocation at this point. She said she hears some commissioners
expressing concern for the quantification of benefits that are not reflected in the materials and
how that impacts the return on what is invested.
Chair Price said she takes issue with the materials not showing any of the benefits. She
said when Steve Brantley comes to the Board with a project, he reports back periodically about
the incentives, the tax revenue over time, the jobs created, etc. She said the information might
not be as granular as Commissioner Hamilton is thinking, but the Board does receive some
feedback on investments.
Commissioner Hamilton said she agrees with Chair Price that they have seen those
benefits, but her point is the Board doesn't see the full picture of benefits that schools provide,
or some of the costs involved with economic development.
Commissioner Richards asked if the Board could receive a scorecard on economic
development. She said she thinks this would help the Board, as well as community members,
see the full impact of economic development. She said the county had one of the largest job
growth numbers in the state this year, but this type of information is not widely known or
advertised. She proposed a quarterly or biannual report that would demonstrate the benefits of
economic development investments.
Lydian Altman said she wrote down "visible scorecard to demonstrate benefits for
economic development, schools, and community at large" on the "next steps" sheet.
Commissioner Richards said she thinks schools is a separate topic.
Lydian Altman identified another next step from the discussion of potentially reaffirming
the resolution from 2011.
Chair Price proposed the Board do this in September since it has already been ten
years since the last resolution.
Commissioner Bedford said there is another potential next step of looking into how to
identify costs of economic development.
Commissioner Fowler said those are typically called externalities.
Lydian Altman summarized the three identified next steps.
Chair Price said externalities are typically some of the trade-offs of development.
Commissioner Hamilton read a portion from the county website regarding Article 46 and
school funding allocations. She asked if Article 46 proceeds have been calculated out of the
county's allocation to schools.
Travis Myren and Bonnie Hammersley said only the general fund allocation is calculated
in the county's school funding percentage.
Lydian Altman asked if Commissioner Hamilton would like this to be part of next steps.
Commissioner Hamilton said when the Board reaffirms the resolution, she would also
like to make sure that this is included.
Lydian Altman asked if there were additional ideas for next steps, or if staff needs
additional direction.
Travis Myren said externalities are tough because they are difficult to monetize.
Commissioner McKee asked what is meant by externalities, because he thinks this word
might be vague or have differing understandings for residents.
Commissioner Fowler said it is the cost to the community.
Commissioner McKee said using the phrase "cost to the community" would be clearer
than externalities to residents.
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Lydian Altman said this is a great example of being clear on what important words
mean.
Travis Myren added that the County Attorney, John Roberts, confirmed there are no
limitations on Article 46 funding.
The Board recessed for a break from approximately 10:10 am until 10:20 am.
Commissioner McKee did not return to the meeting via Zoom following the break.
Before jumping back into retreat topics, Bonnie Hammersley introduced Cy Stober, the
new Planning and Inspections Director.
The Board reviewed the agenda attachment titled "ARTICLE 46: Overview of Orange
County's Key Economic Development Programs, Expenditures & Return on Investment
Measures Tied to Article 46"
Check in on Goals and Guidance
• History
* Progress
CHECK-IN ON GOALS AND • Changes to content,
GUIDANCE process, use?
- Strategic Planning:
Purpose, Practices,
Considerations
• Goals as Guidance
• Next Steps
Lydian Altman reviewed the purpose of this conversation listed on the slide above.
Travis Myren said the Board has a handout of the goals that were adopted by the Board
in 2016, which was the last time a comprehensive discussion took place on Board goals. He
said the social justice goals (approved in 2015) and environmental goals (approved in 2019) are
included on every agenda abstract. He said page 27 of the retreat packet shows the priorities
as discussed at the previous year's retreat and how all departments have made efforts to
implement the priorities.
Lydian Altman said the Board should never lose an opportunity to celebrate progress,
and asked what they are proud of when reading through the work the county has done, or even
something not on the list.
Commissioner Bedford said one of the big things she is proud of was transitioning to
Alliance as the county's MCO, and also leading the state in COVID-19 vaccines.
Commissioner Greene celebrated the county's broadband initiative.
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Chair Price shared her view that the goals need to be reviewed because they are
reflective of the values of a different board at a different time.
Lydian Altman said one of the questions for the Board to decide is what to do with the
goals, but would like to continue to celebrate some of the accomplishments before that
discussion.
Commissioner Richards said it is amazing and impressive that there are 10 pages of
accomplishments to begin with, and the COVID response by itself crossed over so many areas.
She said almost everything is significant. She also commented that she has sometimes
struggled to connect an item that comes to the Board with the social justice goal or
environmental goal that is listed on the abstract. She said since the goals are from 2016-17,
the Board needs a process that includes strategy, goals, and the process to update the goals,
and how that ties into the departments in order to update them.
Chair Price said there was no strategic plan and there was push back because past
boards did not want to do strategic planning, but this Board does. She said by not doing this,
interconnectedness is missed.
Commissioner Bedford said she was shocked to learn during her orientation that the
Board at the time did not have a strategic plan because she is used to having that, including
having the community's input. She said strategic planning is expensive and if the strategic plan
is only looked at once a year it is a waste of time and money. She said she took a class on
strategic planning before the pandemic and heard from other elected officials who use strategic
plans and tie it to their long range planning and budgeting to it. She said there are initiatives the
county is working on now that a strategic plan would help tie together. She said they need to
know how to make it a living document.
Bonnie Hammersley said it is correct that there were people opposed to strategic
planning on the Board in the past, but when she came to the county, she used a different term
and called it goal setting. She said as County Manager, it is important to know what the goals
and priorities of the Board are and if some are required by law. She said the goals are helpful
and helped accomplish everything that has been accomplished thus far. She also said she
budgets based on the goals of the Board. She said the executive team shares what
departments' responsibilities are within those goals and how to work towards them. Bonnie
Hammersley said she doesn't think the county has been operating blind, but it would be helpful
for the Board to regularly review and update the goals. She said the county is still the safety net
for the most vulnerable and still has to fund schools, but it would be helpful for additional goals
to be updated. She said she thinks this is the proper forum to develop a plan for this update and
review. She also shared that each department has a strategic plan to guide how each
department administratively functions in order to meet the Board's goals.
Commissioner Greene said she appreciates the clarification, because she did not think
she was on a board that did not have goals. She said the goals that are in place is how the
county has achieved all that it has. She said she is not as heavily invested in the idea that the
Board has to have a "strategic plan," as long as they know what their goals are.
Commissioner Fowler said she can see both sides. As a realist, she doesn't like wasting
time and doesn't want to do something just for branding. She said when seeing the budget, it is
clear that the departments have goals, but she thinks it would be helpful for a central set of
goals to guide the Board. She said these could be informed by the goals and plans the county
already has in place so as to not reinvent the wheel, but said she agrees with Commissioner
Bedford's earlier point that community input on the goals and planning is important.
Commissioner Hamilton said in her experience, she understands the hesitation of
putting in significant time for a strategic plan, but believes goals are not enough. She said the
goals are broad and do not show how the board will strategize and prioritize in order to achieve
each goal. She gave an example of how school facilities are not meeting the needs of students,
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but is not listed as a priority. She said strategic planning for her is getting beyond goals that the
Board doesn't operationalize because they're broad. She said the Board is at the point now
where they are going to have to make trade-offs in decision making. She said they can have an
efficient strategic planning process, but believes they need something beyond goals.
Commissioner Bedford said it gives the Board the opportunity to apply the GARE
principles to the plan, which would help the Board with each of their decisions.
Chair Price said it is possible for strategic planning to be done across a longer or shorter
time period depending on the Board's direction and approach. She said while she likes the
goals, they are more like vision statements. She said having the bare bones of a strategic plan
would help new commissioners coming on, and would also help the community understand
where the county is and where it's going. She said the strategic plan has to be a living
document, but can at least provide some direction to departments and others.
Commissioner Richards said there are many ways to do strategic planning, and it can
be really detailed or not. She said she sometimes hears that there was some Board at some
time that said a future Board could never touch xyz, like the rural buffer. She asked how this
impacts and limits the Board for planning for the future. She said these past decisions and
goals are tied to broad strategies that guide what the departments are doing. She said the other
complication for her is how advisory boards and their goals and priorities all tie in.
Lydian Altman reviewed what notes she took on the Board's "Goals" sheet, and
summarized what she heard from the Board. She asked if staff has anything to add.
Travis Myren said the degree of community input and the Board's goal for the strategic
plan would determine how long it takes, associated costs, etc.
Lydian Altman agreed with Travis Myren.
Travis Myren said it would be easy to convene the Board and for staff to ask the
strategic questions and get direction, but the community engagement part can be more
complicated depending on the Board's desires and direction.
Lydian Altman resumed the PowerPoint presentation:
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Commissioner Hamilton said this information has been helpful to see. She said she
feels even more like the Board should do the strategic plan. She said the visioning part of this is
important because some of the issues she is always bringing up about education, and what she
hears others bringing up about economic development, might be 20 years down the road. She
said it brings the question of what they want the community to be like in the future, what are the
limits to growth as far as water and other infrastructure, how many businesses are needed to
help get ahead. She said she thinks about these things, but not in a way that would be helpful
to planning.
Lydian Altman said these are great visioning questions for the elected body and
community to consider. She added that the vision should be 20 years out, but the detailed
planning should address the next 3-5 years.
Commissioner Richards said the aging population and other demographic changes is
important to consider when looking towards planning for the future. She said receiving this type
of information from staff would be helpful.
Lydian Altman said the county's new Planning Director would have some good data and
projections to help the Board ground their decisions and planning in the context of Orange
County.
Commissioner Hamilton said the aging demographic doesn't surprise her because of
her experience as a social worker. She asked the question of how many people are coming into
the community that are older compare to the number of people already here who are aging and
how much the Board should accommodate the influx. She said the issue is who is going to take
care of the aging population if there is no room for younger people to live here.
Lydian Altman said the Commissioners have identified important questions for the
visioning process.
Chair Price said this discussion validates that the Board is on the right track. She said
that things have changed even since the goals were adopted six years ago, and she has been
to conferences where there was discussion on the influx of people and the landscape changing
all across the Charlotte-Greensboro-Raleigh-Durham beltway. She said everything is changing
so much so quickly that the county has to be prepared for the needs that are coming. She said
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there are people coming into the state for a variety of reasons, and is relevant to keep in mind
for short-term and long-term planning.
To Chair Price's point about how quickly the area is changing, Commissioner Bedford
said the strategic plan has to be a living document. She asked if there is a way for the strategic
plan to center on Orange County, but also keep the surrounding region in mind.
Lydian Altman said that would be a decision for the Board to make, and would be a
smart decision because of the connectedness of Orange County and the rest of the Triangle.
Commissioner Greene said the Orange County Transit Plan will be revised in the fall,
and is very much a call for land use planning and transit planning. She said even the towns
don't do a good enough job thinking about that, and in a discussion about a growing population,
the towns have to be included. Commissioner Greene said she would not support expanding
the rural buffer and just because the idea is 20 years old does not mean it's a bad idea. She
said it is more worthwhile than ever because it supports the idea that population needs to be
centered on areas where there can be public transit and there are advantages to having a rural
part of the county. She said the population growth should happen in the towns, so the county
needs to communicate with the towns about more connected planning. She shared that at a
TJCOG meeting, the executive director talked about doing a much better job of connecting
regionally about these issues. She said one issue is that not all counties are like Orange County
in terms of values and priorities so it will always be a challenge, but in a changing environment
it's important to think about how to target and manage the growth. In reference to comments
about an aging population, she noted that Orange County has an excellent master aging plan.
Commissioner Fowler said she is in favor of developing a strategic plan for many of the
reasons mentioned. She said it is clear that many things have changed, especially throughout
the pandemic, and priorities have changed. She said the increase in mental health needs is an
issue, and it is time to update the priorities and include the community's input and what they
value. She said she appreciates Commissioner Greene's point about combining land use with
transportation planning, because even if each department has its own great plan, there may
need to be more collaboration between departments.
Commissioner Richards said it would make sense to take pieces of things like the
master aging plan and the transit plan and not re-invent the wheel for the strategic plan. She
said she recalls there are around four consultants working on other plans for the county as well.
Bonnie Hammersley said operational planning is different than strategic planning, which
is related to policy. She said the plans Commissioner Richards is talking about inform staff how
to operate underneath the broader strategic plan.
Commissioner Richards asked if the master aging plan would be something to consider
for the strategic plan.
Bonnie Hammersley said that is also an operational plan for the Department on Aging.
She said the COVID recovery plan would be an example of an outward focused plan, while
most of the plans the county has are inward focused on how to operate to meet the outward
need.
Lydian Altman said there may be other plans even at a regional level where it's
important to synthesize and pull out information and determine implications for the strategic
plan during the planning process.
Chair Price said the Board should be looking at policy rather than operations because it
can't interfere with what the departments are doing. She said updating the comprehensive plan
12 years ago was a very involved process that included a lot of people, and that's not
something the Board should get deeply into.
Lydian Altman agreed that is the Board's role. She said that envisioning is the heavy
part. She referred to the below slide:
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Lydian Altman said envisioning is a heavily involved Board process that includes
community input, while enacting and evaluating is done more on the staff level with a limited
role of the Board.
Commissioner Richards asked how the comprehensive plan will work.
Bonnie Hammersley said Cy Stober and the Planning and Inspections Department will
lead the comprehensive plan development.
Commissioner Richards said she is trying to understand how all of the different things
connect, like the UDO and the comprehensive plan. She also asked if there is a visioning
component of the comprehensive plan.
Bonnie Hammersley said from a policy standpoint, the priorities from the Board would be
broad, such as identifying schools, housing, and economic development. She said there are
specifics to the priorities to some extent, but not to the level of what staff is doing. She said it is
her role to make sure staff and departments are working together to ensure the goals of this
Board.
Chair Price said the Board might identify affordable housing as a priority, but it's not
their role to identify potential lots for housing.
Bonnie Hammersley said in the recommended budget presentation she would show the
Board the resources and the plans for the resources in support of their stated priorities.
Chair Price said the comprehensive plan helps determine where affordable housing
would go, whether there are services connected to the areas, zoning, etc.
Commissioner Hamilton said she also finds it difficult to understand how the different
pieces of operational plans work together. She said she and other Commissioners also don't
have a clear idea on the policy set by past boards. She said part of the issue is there isn't time
at a normal Board meeting to fit all of the pieces together with the rest of the agenda items. She
said she would like for there to be time, perhaps at a work session, to look at everything at
once, see the big picture and understand how everything connects as part of the strategic
planning process. She said she finds things are piecemeal and it is hard to track.
Lydian Altman said for next steps she's noting a graphic representation of what plans
are currently out there and what pieces may be relevant to the Board. She said this would be
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the type of thing to put in an RFP to have someone help sort out. She shared that TJCOG has
begun doing strategic planning services.
Commissioner Bedford said doing the visioning and comprehensive planning will inform
one another.
Chair Price said the previous comprehensive plan was focused on a set of goals that
previous Commissioners had at one time.
Commissioner Hamilton said the comprehensive plan is a policy and operational
document and the UDO is the details.
Lydian Altman said it seems like the Board would like to pursue a strategic plan. She
asked if the Board wants to bother looking at the current goals, knowing that these will be
reviewed and revised in the strategic planning process. She said to her the questions they
might want to think about is if the goals are still relevant, if they overlap, and if there are other
emerging issues to add based on current priorities.
Commissioner Richards said it seems possible they can use the existing goals as a
guide and starting place during the visioning process.
Commissioner Bedford said she doesn't know enough to move forward with writing an
RFP for this.
Bonnie Hammersley said staff would handle that part.
Lydian Altman asked the Board to consider the extent of community engagement they
want for this process as well as what parts of the process and what they are hoping to gain
from it.
Commissioner Fowler asked Lydian Altman to expand on what strategic planning
resources TJCOG is offering.
Lydian Altman said she isn't sure exactly what they offer at this time.
Commissioner Greene said TJCOG has helped smaller communities with fewer
resources create strategic plans, hire managers, etc. She said she will ask for more
information.
Chair Price asked if the School of Government did strategic planning for state agencies
as well.
Lydian Altman said yes, the School of Government is available to do this as well. She
said they work with county and state agencies.
Commissioner Hamilton said it has been a while since the county has fully engaged the
community and coming out of COVID and given recent events, there is an opportunity to
educate and engage. She said the engagement should be significant and meaningful, which is
the hard part.
Lydian Altman asked Commissioner Hamilton to elaborate on what she means by
"meaningful."
Commissioner Hamilton said the county has struggled with community engagement and
COVID has complicated things further. She said that meaningful engagement to her would
mean hearing from a significant diverse group of people. She suggested they would probably
need some metrics about the demographics they want to try to target and hear from, and
develop ways to track progress.
Lydian Altman said sometimes what is possible comes down to cost. She said one
county the School of Government worked with had fewer resources so they developed a
training for employees in the health department who then held community engagement
sessions at fire departments as well as larger community forums.
Commissioner Hamilton said a new community engagement position was just hired.
Lydian Altman said cost can also depend on what capacity the county already has to
take on some of the work internally vs. hiring a consultant.
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Commissioner Richards said advisory boards can be used a mechanism for community
engagement by having them reach out to their respective communities and networks. She said
this is also a way to advertise and recruit advisory board members.
Chair Price added it is also important to engage advisory board members because their
work should be relevant to that of the Board. She said this would be a good check and balance.
Lydian Altman asked staff what questions would be helpful to have answered during this
discussion.
Travis Myren asked to revisit the questions on the slide below:
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Why do you want to plan?
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Lydian Altman said one of the quesitons about scope would be whether it is community
focused or internally focused. She said she believes the Board would like it to be community
focused.
The Board agreed.
Lydian Altman said that then raises the engagement question in a big way. She said for
who leads what", they discussed the type of role the Board may have vs. a consultant vs. staff.
She noted that this also raises the issue of capacity again for what the county will be able to
take on interally.
Commissioner Fowler asked what staff feels its capacity is for getting community
feedback vs. consultant.
Bonnie Hammersley said she would recommend a consultant.
Commissioner Hamilton asked for the cost range for a consultant and some examples
of processes that are 6 months vs. a year.
Lydian Altman asked if the Board would like a performance management component for
the example. She said a strategic plan framework with minimal community engagment is
$50,000-$70,000. She said performance management is a big question mark.
Bonnie Hammersley said Durham is currently doing transit planning with very broad
community engagement and they are spending half a million dollars. Bonnie Hammersley said
the county did focus groups rather than full community engagment for the recovery plan and the
total cost was $250,000 between the county and towns.
Travis Myren asked if the Board was looking for fully community organization, like going
out directly to the community.
The Board said not necessarily, and Commissioner Bedford said she liked the idea
Lydian Altman shared about the engagement sessions at firehouses.
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Lydian Altman said there are a lot of ways they could approach community engagement
including surveys, large forums, or focus groups like they did previously. Bonnie Hammersley
said the county got a lot of grief over the recovery plan not being far reaching enough and
surveys were conducted, there were focus groups, etc. She said it can be done that way, but
everyone will need to understand that it will not yield full community participation.
Travis Myren reiterated that the have been told they didn't do enough outreach with that
approach.
Bonnie Hammersley said during the recovery plan a lot of people didn't want to
participate in focus groups even by Zoom and didn't want to complete a survey.
Commissioner Hamilton said this outreach was also during COVID.
Bonnie Hammersley reiterated that this outreach was still conducted electronically. She
said in her experience in county government, it is the forgotten government. She said since it is
the safety net, not everyone knows about what the county does.
Chair Price agreed with Bonnie Hammersley and said despite trying to provide
education on county government, many people don't pay attention unless taxes are raised. She
also asked how heavily they should rely on departments to help with outreach because policies
will impact the work they will do and they have a good idea of what is out there.
Lydian Altman said she agreed, and she would recommend starting with a context
setting which would include department directors.
Commissioner Fowler asked Lydian Altman for an estimate on a strategic plan that
includes performance management.
Lydian Altman said she can't remember exactly, but it was around another $50,000
which included helping departments operationalize the performance management piece.
Commissioner Greene said she volunteered to talk to TJCOG about strategic planning
services they offer, but she doesn't have enough information yet about what the Board is
looking for to get specific responses.
Bonnie Hammersley said she will talk to TJCOG.
Commissioner Bedford asked what the survey that was given out at the DSS Toy Chest
was for.
Travis Myren said that survey helped inform One Orange.
Commissioner Bedford said that really worked and could be done again.
Chair Price asked when the Board's goal was for completion.
Commissioner Bedford said she would like it to be less than a year. She said she wants
to be streamlined if possible, and limiting some of the community engagement would be okay
for now because it is a living document and should be reviewed annually.
Lydian Altman said she would recommend annual review as well, or at least every other
year to evaluate any needed changes. She said another scope issue would be assessing
organizational values and how they guide the organization and employees, as well as how to
communicate. She said the plan can be used to drive culture. She said the plan is critical, but
the process is just as important.
Chair Price said as the plan is promoted, it gives an opportunity for people to be
involved.
Lydian Altman said in addition to the number of operational plans the Board discussed
earlier, there are likely a number of engagement plans developed already as well that could be
incorporated.
Commissioner Richards asked Lydian Altman for a realistic timeline.
Lydian Altman said she thinks this could get done in 9-12 months.
Chair Price said she thinks this should be done before the next budget cycle.
Commissioner Richards said she thinks visioning should be done by the spring.
Lydian Altman said she thinks it's possible.
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Commissioner Hamilton said part of how they work as a Board is how they manage their
time. She said they normally have the retreat in January and it would be conducive to work on
planning during that time, but that would set them back on the desired timeline if they waited
until then. She suggested the Board determine if there are work sessions where these
discussions should take place, but mentioned that may mean that other vital work doesn't get
done this year.
Chair Price said the work session topics are decided based on issues brought up by
Board members and it is possible to prioritize strategic planning. She shared that the existing
goals were done in one session with no community input.
Commissioner Richards asked during what meeting the goals were decided.
Chair Price said the Board at the time discussed the goals during a retreat and started
by brainstorming goals and then narrowing them down.
Lydian Altman said that was a starting point.
Commissioner Bedford suggested engaging groups and community leaders the county
already works with to help with community engagement.
Commissioner Richards said it could be a combined approach with both advisory boards
and known community organizations and connections participating in community engagement
forums. She also suggested getting input and engagement from the towns. She said if they
start by engaging groups they already work with, that would be more effective than sending out
surveys. She said they might want to also conduct surveys like the one at the DSS Toy Chest
Commissioner Bedford mentioned.
Chair Price said she thought engaging through the census was also good.
Lydian Altman said she wrote down "input throughout the year using existing
opportunities" as an action.
Commissioner Bedford said she knows it will be a lot of money, but since so much has
changed, including the Board, she thinks it is time to put forth the money and time for a
strategic plan.
Lydian Altman said she also captured from the conversation that one of the ways to use
the plan is to guide topics for discussion.
Commissioner Hamilton said she would like to include performance measures for
ensuring priorities are met and there is good stewardship of taxpayer money. She said they will
need to develop metrics to measure that.
Lydian Altman said she's not sure what metrics the organization already uses that might
be able to be included, and it's important for the Board to pick a few items to track that is
relevant to them. She said she will organize the notes she has been writing about the direction
they have given and what they want to see and get them back to the Board. She said she
captured that Bonnie will talk with TJCOG as a next step and asked if there are any other next
steps coming out of this discussion.
Commissioner Bedford said to start drafting an RFP. She said seeing a draft will help
the Board further narrow what they are looking for since this is their first time doing this.
Lydian Altman asked what the timeline for the RFP is.
Bonnie Hammersley said she will likely will not talk to TJCOG since it's possible they
could respond to the RFP. She said staff will just start the draft to protect the integrity of the
process.
Travis Myren said there are examples the Board can draw upon and suggested it could
be ready in September.
Commissioner Richards asked if there is a way to scope the RFP to get responses on
different levels of performance measures and community engagment.
Bonnie Hammersley said they can do alternates on the RFP.
Commissioner Richards said that would be helpful.
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Travis Myren said he could also just send the Board some examples of similar RFPs
over the summer break.
Commissioner Bedford asked Lydian Altman to go back to the slide with the strategic
planning pitfalls.
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Lydian Altman reviewed an attachment titled "Paired Interviews: High Performing
Teamwork", which will guide the paired interviews between Commissioners. She asked the
Board to break into groups and review the following questions:
1. What are the qualities in your existing governing team that most foster enthusiasm,
information sharing, and collaboration towards common goals? (existing assets)
2. Describe the best, most successful teamwork that you have ever seen or been a part of.
a. What was it about that team's activities that caused you to define them as high
performing? (definition)
b. What were all the conditions that allowed that winning teamwork to emerge?
(enabling factors)
3. What can you do to foster winning teamwork at an even higher and more consistent
level with this governing team? (activities to move towards high performance)
The interview pairs were Commissioner Hamilton and Commissioner Richards, Chair
Price and Commissioner Bedford, and Commissioner Fowler and Commissioner Greene.
Lydian Altman asked the Board to report out from their groups.
In response to Question 1 above, the Commissioners shared the following:
Chair Price said Board members are respectful even when they disagree.
Commissioner Greene said Commissioners have a willingness to listen.
Commissioner Fowler said everyone is polite in response and shows civility.
Commissioner Bedford said the Board is frank, open, and honest, meaning they are
comfortable and like each other enough to call each other to talk, and share perspectives and
reasoning in a way that is honest without politics.
Commissioner Greene said this helps avoid a waste of time.
Commissioner Bedford said it also helps build trust
Lydian Altman suggested it could build a sense of reliability in what you can expect from
each other. She asked for other qualities.
Commissioner Fowler said they are all passionate and caring.
Commissioner Greene said all Board members value information, objective data, and
research.
Commissioner Bedford said everyone comes to meetings prepared.
Commissioner Fowler said they all share a fairly common philosophy.
Commissioner Greene added they have a baseline of progressive values.
Commissioner Hamilton said the Board is supported by staff and supportive of staff.
Chair Price said they all show a commitment to the work and are non-punitive.
Commissioner Fowler said they all practice transparency in the values they hold.
In response to Question 2a above, the Commissioners shared the following:
Commissioner Richards said the highest performing team she has been a part of was
when there was a clear specific objective. She said there was a diversity of strengths and they
were leveraged so that people were bringing different things to table and there was elasticity in
the way the work is being done.
Lydian Altman added that everyone got to contribute.
Commissioner Richards said there was leadership in the sense of clear communication
that came from a designated person. She said leadership matters and part of that is
communication. She added that relationships and leadership is inherently different on an
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elected body vs. a work or hierarchal team, so some of what made the latter type of team high
performing may not be applicable to them.
Lydian Altman added that the tone was set by leaders.
Commissioner Hamilton said on the team she is thinking of, there was a clear process
for what to do in response to different situations and problems.
Lydian Altman summarized that as "consistency of processes and known procedures".
Commissioner Bedford said one quality that came to mind is that the group kept to the
mission. She said they were focused on stopping something but also preserving different
things. She said they were respectful to one another, were passionate, and had a newsletter
which is related to Commissioner Richards's point about communication.
Lydian Altman added that a newsletter also relates to regularity.
Chair Price said she and Commissioner Bedford also talked about team members
having respect for each other and the community. She said they also sought input from
stakeholders, held community meetings, and looked out for everyone that was involved.
Lydian Altman added that planning ahead is important.
Chair Price said members of the team she has in mind also did their homework and
covered all bases.
Commissioner Greene said the high performing team she has in mind had a clear focus
on a common goal and had people with diverse strengths to move toward the goal. She also
said members had an openness to solutions.
Commissioner Fowler said being fact-finding and evidence based is important. She said
everyone should be invested in contributing in some way. She said some of this was based on
high performing teams, but some she based on what ineffective teams lacked. She said being
focused on the goal is important, as well as avoiding bureaucracy.
Lydian Altman summarized that as being mission driven.
In response to Question 2b above, the Commissioners shared the following:
Chair Price said dedication of the group was important to enabling teamwork.
Commissioner Bedford added being respectful.
Commissioner Richards said having defined processes, clear roles, and accountability
all enabled the team to function well.
Commissioner Hamilton said having clear goals and focus helps.
Commissioner Greene said having the right resources and expertise helps.
Commissioner Fowler said having different perspectives providing input helps enable
teamwork, as well as being prepared.
In response to Question 3 above, the Commissioners shared the following:
Commissioner Fowler said planning ahead for the work they will do/need to do as a
Board will help them become higher performing.
Commissioner Richards said a look ahead would be helpful to her. She said knowing
what topics are coming up before the agenda is published would help her better prepare.
Chair Price said that sounds like the rolling calendar.
Commissioner Richards said more visibility of the rolling calendar would be helpful then.
Commissioner Bedford said more time spent together and more training would be
helpful. She said more communication, specifically a way to effectively report highlights from
liaison meetings to colleagues.
Commissioner Richards said one of the things she and Commissioner Hamilton asked
was what their role is in those meetings and is the expectation that they will report out or share
minutes with the rest of the Board.
Lydian Altman asked who would set those expectations.
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Commissioner Bedford said that's something the Board needs to do.
Chair Price said there has never been a consistent process.
Commissioner Richards said she isn't lobbying for or against reporting back to the rest
of the Board, but clarity on the expectation would be appreciated.
Commissioner Hamilton asked if they even need to be on all of the advisory committees
or only certain ones.
Chair Price said most boards that Commissioners are on no is either due to statute or
some interlocal agreement.
Lydian Altman said she now recalls a past Board retreat with Orange County where
boards and committees were discussed.
Chair Price said there used to be Board members on all of the county's own advisory
committees, but now they are only on the ones where there is an interlocal agreement or some
other requirement they participate like state statute.
Commissioner Hamilton said there aren't processes in place for orienting and reviewing,
and bringing that would help the Board be more effective.
Lydian Altman said now is an opportunity for someone to say what they think the
expectations are and hear what the rest of the Board thinks.
Chair Price said she sees a correlation between reporting back from committee
meetings and also determining whether or not attending is an effective use of time.
Lydian Altman said the Board may decide to set aside a work session for this
discussion. She said the bigger issues that come out of the retreat can inform their work plan
for the next year.
Commissioner Bedford said the retreat planning committee was hoping to surface these
big issues and have a list as a Board in order to plan additional time for discussion at a later
date.
Lydian Altman said it sounds like an examination of the relevancy, the need for, and the
expectations about service on these committees is needed. She asked what other things came
up in paired discussions.
Chair Price said every time someone new comes onto the Board it changes the focus
and the dynamic. She said this Board is totally different than when she first got on the Board,
besides Commissioner McKee including new priorities, focuses, preferences, etc. For example,
she said there were Commissioners that wanted to do poetry reading at the beginning of every
meeting or who wanted to do a proclamation every time a high school sports team won a state
championship. She asked how and when to determine what the Board culture will be for the
upcoming year.
Lydian Altman said this retreat was even supposed to be January 21 st, then February
7tn but kept changing due to COVID.
Commissioner Greene said the Arts Moment Chair Price was mentioning went away
with COVID, but she would actually like to see it back.
Chair Price said that was a decision that was made, it wasn't just COVID.
Commissioner Greene said that needs to be revisited because she supports the Arts
Moment.
Commissioner Hamilton said there are policies and procedures that would be helpful to
go over and follow during Board meetings to make sure everyone is on the same page and is
doing what they said they would do. She said it's not clear that they always follow them during
meetings.
Lydian Altman said the intent of this is for meetings to be more enjoyable and efficient.
Commissioner Hamilton also said there is so much information that comes to the Board
and it is easy to lose track of what is important, which the rolling calendar doesn't always
capture.
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Commissioner Bedford said adjusting the timing could help. She suggested that instead
of two budget work sessions where department report out, they could hear from a couple of
departments once a month with an update so it's spread across the year and they would know
what's coming. She said this would essentially be planning a calendar of work session topics,
which she views as different than the rolling calendar. She said the report from departments
during budget work sessions is not effective. She said the Board has been getting quarterly
reports from finance which has been helpful and would like to have some more detailed
overviews of departments like this. She said she sometimes thinks the Board would be higher
performing if they spent more time discussing topics at a work session and then voted on them
at a business meeting.
Lydian Altman said she is trying to think of how to capture this in a higher level phrase
for next steps.
Commissioner Richards said this makes her think of the quote "culture eats strategy for
breakfast". She said some of what they are talking about is really the higher level around
culture and expectations. She said if operation is centered around culture then strategy and the
business plan then supports that.
Lydian Altman said the higher level is not only the strategies they hope to get from this
conversation around planning but also execution. She said a key word might be integration.
Commissioner Fowler said she thinks the Board would like to be better informed before
making a decision. She said if the Board has the opportunity to see an item more times, like at
a work session and then at a business meeting, they can be better informed and also think
about it more. She said people have different styles of thinking.
Commissioner Bedford said she agrees with that. She said on big decisions she needs
to have a couple of days to consider and think about it.
Commissioner Greene said there was a similar practice when she was on the Chapel
Hill Town Council.
Commissioner Bedford said when an item comes up they need more time on they can
ask to delay it in the meeting.
Chair Price said it's interesting to hear this because the Board has been accused of
taking too long to make a decision. She said it gets back to how each Board wants to operate.
She said the Board can delay something at any time unless it is something that is time
sensitive. She said maybe that needs to be a reminder to them. She said there is also the issue
of just familiarity with the issues, because some items are repeats but a newer commissioner
will not be as familiar.
Commissioner Hamilton said the issue of delaying an item is more about culture than
rules. She said knowing they can be comfortable asking to delay is important. She said
determining which topics and issues to discuss and when can be driven by a strategic plan, so
that's another benefit.
Chair Price said part of the culture is communication between them all and being
comfortable bringing a topic forward for discussion. She added that she and Commissioner
Bedford set the agenda with staff and have to weigh priority items with the amount of time
meetings will take.
Commissioner Bedford said another positive on this Board is that no one uses Robert's
Rules of Order to shut anyone down.
Lydian Altman summarized the discussion the Board had above based on her notes
including:
• Following good board management practices during meetings
• Timing and content of retreat to determine board culture, expectations, and operating
principles
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• Planning for the work ahead and what needs to happen to accomplish
• Look ahead. What's coming in the next few months? (Rolling calendar)
• Time for more interaction between us
• Training
• Calendar of work sessions. Regular updates on activities
• INFORM ====� THINK TIME ---+ DECIDE
o Amount of `think time depends on familiarity with the issues, can vote be
delayed, Board-specific expectations and culture
• Communication expectations re: advisory boards and commissions
o Reporting back to colleagues. How? When? Where?
o Expectations of serving
Lydian Altman said the Board will evaluate this retreat at the end to inform future
retreats.
Chair Price said related to time for more interactions, the Board can't meet outside of
scheduled meetings so are limited on when they can come together, so maybe they can
change the way they do retreats or work sessions.
Lydian Altman asked if that means spending more time together or spending the time
they have together differently.
Chair Price said if they used their scheduled time differently, there may be more time to
interact with one another.
Commissioner Richards said if there was a calendar for future work session topics and
some way to share information ahead of time, or follow the INFORM 4THINK TIME4DECIDE
strategy, which might help things. She said the Board doesn't want to get into a situation where
they are always kicking the can on everything because there is work that has to get done, but
because some of them have the desire to want to have more information, how can they achieve
this. She said even if they establish comfortability in asking for an item to be delayed, they don't
want to make that the norm after work goes into establishing a plan and calendar.
Lydian Altman reiterated that what topics may deserve more time could be informed by
the strategic plan.
Commissioner Greene said she agrees with everything Commissioner Richards said.
She said she isn't sure items needing more time can be predicted in advance but agrees it
wouldn't be everything that is delayed.
Lydian Altman said when they come back from break, they will break back out into
groups to review what changes might be necessary on specific items to be a higher performing
body and then report out to the whole Board to get a sense of where people fall on the scale of
agreement.
The Board recessed for a break from approximately 2:20 pm until 2:32 pm.
The Board continued their discussion on Moving Towards Board Excellence via
breakout groups.
Group A included Commissioner Hamilton and Commissioner Richards, Group B
included Chair Price and Commissioner Bedford, and Group included Commissioner Fowler
and Commissioner Greene.
Each group was asked to consider what the governing board might have to do
differently to move towards the high performing priorities on the slide below. Group A discussed
the first three topics, Group B discussed the next three topics, and Group C discussed the last
three topics.
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What might this governing board have to da dllYerently to move towards these
high performing priorities?
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Lydian Altman invited the Commissioners to report out on their discussions. She said
she would like to get a sense of how the group feels about the suggested changes as they
move through the topics.
In relation to the first topic on the slide above, Commissioner Bedford said once the
Board makes a decision, even it was a split vote, everyone moves forward in support, which is a
positive. For an improvement, she said the Board needs to implement the GARE equity model
at meetings.
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Chair Price said she thinks the petition process should be updated because it can be
long and drawn out.
Commissioner Bedford agreed and said she also doesn't think the Chair and Vice-Chair
should make the decision on whether or not a petition will be placed on an agenda.
Commissioner Greene said when she was on the Town Council, a petition needed to
have a second and then a vote in order to send it to staff to be placed on an agenda. She said
she learned at commissioner training that on a small board, it can be the practice that any
member of the Board has the power to bring a petition on their own.
Commissioner Bedford said she gets that part, but asked if the Board agrees with the
Chair and Vice-Chair deciding to move forward or not.
Chair Price said this is something that they can discuss. She said sometimes petitions
for proclamations are made that would likely have the Board's support but is time sensitive, so if
the petition were to go through the currect review process, they would miss the opportunity to
pass it.
Commissioner Richards said some of the proclamations they pass are associated with
an annual event or day, and asked if they can be incorporated into the regular calendar so there
doesn't have to be an individual petition each year.
Chair Price said it would have to come from the Board to identify what they want to
recognize because there are numerous holidays or special days all year.
Lydian Altman restated Commissioner Bedford's question about who should approve the
petition. She asked if there is support for future discussion on this.
The Board agreed.
Commissioner Richards said she would like clarification on what Commissioner Bedford
mentioned about CARE. She said GARE has several components, and if they incorporate it all
into their meetings, it will impact how they spend their time as well as the amount of time they
spend in meetings.
Commissioner Bedford said she was mentioning this so it can be a placeholder for the
new Chief Equity Officer who is starting soon without recommendations from the Board.
Chair Price said it would be helpful for commissioners to bring information from sidebar
conversations to Board meetings.
Commissioner Greene said she doesn't understand what is meant by that.
Chair Price said sometimes commissioners have individual discussions, so it would be
nice for them to report out from those conversations at meetings to inform the rest of the Board.
Commissioner Bedford asked for any additional information the Board is given between
agenda publication and the meeting mention during meeting so that it is part of the record.
Commissioner Greene said when there was a change in language to the picketing
ordinance recently, it would have been nice for staff to type any changes on the screen during
the meeting.
Commissioner Fowler said even putting the new information on a slide during the
meeting would have been helpful as well.
Chair Price suggested the Board tie its stewardship of resources to mandates and the
future strategic plan. She said the Board should also consider the human resources and
respect their time and efforts, especially with staffing shortages. She also suggested the Board
review tax levies periodically.
Commissioner Bedford reiterated what Chair Price said.
Commissioner Richards said she doesn't fully understand what things the Board is
mandated to do, so she thought they were suggesting to allocate more resources to those
things that are mandated.
Commissioner Bedford said that's not quite what they discussed in their small group, but
it is still important to know what is mandated.
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Lydian Altman said it is good for staff to hear this so they can include more information
in their presentation of items.
Lydian Altman said these are cautionary in some ways.
Chair Price reiterated that the Board should review tax levies periodically.
Lydian Altman asked if there were thoughts on how often.
Commissioner Hamilton said she is happy to leave the suggestion at periodically until
the strategic plan and other pieces are in place so they don't lock in on something they can't
sustain.
Commissioner Greene agreed.
Lydian Altman asked if everyone is in support of the suggestions made for this topic.
She also asked for clarification on what Commissioner Bedford and Chair Price wrote about
consideration of new and different types of information.
Commissioner Bedford said this is the same thing they discussed before about reporting
out from liaison meetings and spreading department updates across the year rather than two
budget work sessions. She suggested the Board plan at least one programming in-service or
training for themselves each year on a relevant topic that is beyond a retreat.
Chair Price added when there are controversial issues it would be good to make efforts
to hear from all sides before reaching a decision.
Commissioner Fowler added it would be good to also see data that provides more
context. For example, if 10 people were served, how many were eligible or reached out or were
served last year.
Commissioner Hamilton said it would also be good for there to be definitions and more
labels on data to provide more clarity.
Commissioner Bedford reiterated she would like a future discussion on protocol for
reporting out from liaison committee meetings.
Commissioner Fowler said when the Board comes to a conclusion on that, it would be
nice to have the protocol as information item quarterly as a reminder.
Chair Price said the protocol may change with every iteration of the Board depending on
preference.
Commissioner Richards said that ties into the question about how to spend time at
meetings. She asked if there was an easy way to have a designated space for more good to
know/nice to know information.
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Lydian Altman asked if there is support for spreading departmental updates across the
year and a planning an in-service or training for the Board as Commissioner Bedford mentioned
before.
Commissioner Richards said she likes the idea of planning in-services. She said this
Board really wants full information, so that might be the answer, even if it isn't mandatory. She
said it could also be open to the public for those who want to learn more about county
departments and operations.
Commissioner Fowler said she would prefer this to be part of a work session instead of
staff wasting time and only one commissioner coming.
Lydian Altman said she's hearing support for this, but the Board can revisit spreading
out departmental updates at another time. She read from the breakout notes and asked how
much earlier the Board would like to receive agenda packets for adequate preparation.
Commissioner Hamilton said at least a couple of days earlier would be helpful.
Commissioner Richards said even if they couldn't get slides earlier, having background
information earlier would be helpful.
Chair Price said it would be great to agenda packets earlier, but she knows from staff
that there are a lot of pieces that come into play about how soon they are able to be sent out.
Lydian Altman said the culture of this Board is they like to be well-informed.
Commissioner Bedford said she was happy to push to get packets on Thursdays, but
she doesn't really look at them until Sunday night, so it wouldn't matter to her, but she is in
support if it would help others.
Commissioner Greene said the earlier the agenda gets to them, the more last minute
changes there may be from staff because things are happening in real time.
Commissioner Hamilton said knowing what happens at Chair/Vice-Chair agenda review
would give the rest of the Board a heads up about what they will see in the published agenda
packet.
Chair Price and Commissioner Bedford said that is doable, but she also added that
there are sometimes changes between when the Chair and Vice-Chair approve an agenda and
publication.
Commissioner Hamilton suggested that an online posting of petitions, resolutions, and
rolling calendar to help efficiently get information out.
Lydian Altman asked if this would be internal to the Board or publicly accessible also.
Commissioner Hamilton said it could be publically facing, but would be a tool for the
Board.
Chair Price said she thinks all of that can be done.
Commissioner Hamilton also suggested the Board limit time on non-decision making
issues like proclamations. Commissioner Hamilton said if they spend too much time on these
types of items at the beginning, they are not as fresh by the end of the meeting for decision-
making. She also suggested limiting the time for speakers on these items to two minutes.
Commissioner Bedford said Chapel Hill really limits their proclamations now if there isn't
someone present to receive it. She agreed the agenda needs to be tightened up. She said she
also doesn't think they need to do all of the proclamations they do for special days.
Chair Price said she has concerns about tightening it too much because the Board
represents the community and if the community wants to request a proclamation, the Board
should respond to them appropriately. She said she thinks the Board should be accommodating
if it's important to someone in the community.
Lydian Altman said she thinks there is a way to honor that sentiment, but still streamline
the process.
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Commissioner Richards said limiting comment on these items, or having a
Commissioner use their comment period for the item if they are sponsoring it are other ideas for
streamlining.
Commissioner Bedford said she wants to add some things that have not been
mentioned to see if others share her concern. She said she would like to receive information on
economic development in one closed session and have it come back to a second closed
session for decision. She said she would also like some clarification from the Clerk about why
some emails are being read at meetings.
Chair Price said that she directed the Clerk to read the emails at the meetings.
Commissioner Hamilton said she agrees with Commissioner Bedford's concern because
it impacts the expectation for what the rest of the community is. She also said that before Chair
Price just explained it, the rest of the Board had to context or understanding of why that was
done. She said if they are making an exception it should be made clear it is the exception and
not the rule.
Commissioner Richards said she thought emails they receive are included in the record.
Commissioner Bedford said they are on the website, but are not included in the minutes.
Commissioner Bedford said she also wants clarification on how Commissioners address
one another (formal and informal depending on type of meeting). She said the Board needs to
talk about a policy on remote attendance. She said they need to put the Arts Moment issue on
the list to follow up. Finally, she said the Board should read retirements quarterly and not doing
additional recognitions for specific individuals.
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Commissioner Fowler said more interpersonal relationships may help increase
receptivity on decision-making. She said better relationships with people on other elected
bodies would also be beneficial and would help reduce misunderstandings between groups, so
the Board should try to reach out more.
Commissioner Greene said she thinks this is something each Board member will need
to take on individually.
Commissioner Fowler said the Board needs to hold each other accountable by creating
rules regarding committee assignments, like to attend or find a replacement if you cannot
attend. She said they also need to uphold a culture of respect and responsibility on the Board,
as well as showing decorum in public settings.
Commissioner Bedford asked if the Board needs a better pre-screening process before
making appointments to some of the advisory boards (OWASA, Durham Tech).
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Lydian Altman clarified that this would be so there is better matching with qualification
and responsibilities of each board.
Commissioner Richards said some of the Boards have unique requirements (like state
requirements for ethics and conflict of interest disclosure), so having that information ahead of
time might be helpful.
Next steps for board and staff
Lydian Altman said her takeaways from the first item were to update Article 46
resolution by September 2022, develop a scorecard that demonstrates benefits to economic
development, schools, and costs to community (Externalities), draft RFP for strategic
plan/performance management for Board's approval by September 2022, and for staff to share
examples of good county strategic plans. She reiterated that she will send out thematic notes
with more details to the Board.
Evaluation
Lydian Altman asked what worked well today, and what could be done differently next
time.
Commissioner Fowler said the facility was good including the size of the room,
technology, space for food at the back, and the ability to eat outside.
Commissioner Hamilton said it was hard to hear in this room and would need
microphones next time.
Commissioner Fowler said she feels positive that something will come out of this retreat
because there are clear next steps.
Commissioner Hamilton said she wanted to have more opportunity for discussion to get
a sense of people's values and she feels she got that.
Commissioner Bedford said being in person was more beneficial than Zoom.
Commissioner Hamilton said having time for discussion rather than presentations also
helped.
Commissioner Bedford said all colleagues have been fully engaged and she said the
facilitator did a great job keeping them on track and summarizing.
Commissioner Bedford said January is a better time for the retreat.
Commissioner Greene agreed.
Commissioner Richards said she wouldn't mind doing some pre-work next time because
they can get more done that way.
Commissioner Hamilton said she would like to provide more information to staff about
what the Board needs ahead of time, so that they can get a full picture of information.
Commissioner Fowler suggested rotating the planning committee.
Adjournment
A motion was made by Commissioner Fowler, seconded by Commissioner Hamilton, to
adjourn the meeting at approximately 4:00 p.m.
VOTE: UNANIMOUS
Renee Price, Chair
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Recorded by Tara May, Deputy Clerk to the Board
Submitted for approval by Laura Jensen, Clerk to the Board.