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MINUTES
BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS
WORK SESSION
November 9, 2017
7:00 p.m.
The Orange County Board of Commissioners met for a work session on Thursday,
November 9, 2017 at 7:00 p.m. at the Southern Human Services Center in Chapel Hill,
N.C.
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS PRESENT: Chair Dorosin and Commissioners Mia
Burroughs, Mark Dorosin, Barry Jacobs, Mark Marcoplos, Earl McKee, Renee Price and
Penny Rich
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ABSENT:
COUNTY ATTORNEYS PRESENT: John Roberts
COUNTY STAFF PRESENT: County Manager Bonnie Hammersley, Deputy County
Manager Travis Myren and Clerk to the Board Donna Baker (All other staff members will
be identified appropriately below)
Chair Dorosin called the meeting to order at 7:05 p.m.
Chair Dorosin said he would like to add an item to the agenda for discussion: the
Assemblies of Governments (AOG) meeting scheduled for November 16th. He said the
Manager received an email request from the Town of Chapel Hill (from the Mayor via the
Town Manager) to postpone the AOG meeting.
A motion was made by Commissioner Rich, seconded by Commissioner McKee
to add this item to the agenda and to add it to the beginning of the meeting.
VOTE: UNANIMOUS
Chair Dorosin said he received an email via Bonnie Hammersley from the Chapel
Hill Town Manager, stating that the Mayor had asked for the AOG meeting to be
postponed. He said the Town of Chapel Hill was not ready to discuss some of the items
on the draft agenda, such as the Food Council, WASMBA, and the Greene Tract.
Chair Dorosin said he had met with the Mayor and the Town Manager, along with
the County Manager, in an AOG agenda planning session about these items being on
the agenda. He said there were no concerns initially, so he is not sure why this is
happening now. He said the purpose of the meeting is to have dialogue, much like a
work session.
Commissioner Marcoplos arrived at 7:12 p.m.
Commissioner Rich said she contacted Town Council Member Greene once she
received this email. Council Member Greene said she was taken back about not talking
about the Food Council, since it does involve all 4 governments.
Commissioner Rich said the Food Council had already started developing its
presentation.
Commissioner Rich suggested having the meeting, and sending out an invitation
to all newly elected officials to attend as well.
Commissioner Burroughs said if the Town is not ready to meet, then the Board of
County Commissioners (BOCC) should respect that, as it sounds like there are some
communication issues. She recommended Chair Dorosin and Mayor Hemminger speak
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and try to figure out why the Town wanted to cancel, and try to find a another date for
the meeting.
Commissioner Jacobs asked if a substitute date was proposed.
Chair Dorosin said no.
Commissioner Jacobs said he was ready to meet. He agreed with Commissioner
Burroughs that the Chair should speak with the Mayor, but to be respectful of the
Town’s request.
Commissioner Price asked if other Mayors have provided input.
Chair Dorosin said he talked with Mayor Lavelle, who said she would be fine
either way; but would not be comfortable having a meeting where there may be a
boycott.
Commissioner Price said since Chapel Hill is a partner, it would not make sense
to have the meeting without them, and to respect the Town’s request. She said she
sees no point in a stilted meeting, but she wants to re-schedule. She said she is
confused as to why Chapel Hill would not attend and be part of the conversation. She
said the purpose of the meeting is dialogue.
Bonnie Hammersley said after she forwarded the email to the Chair/Vice Chair,
she sent it to the Mayors and Managers of the Towns of Carrboro and Hillsborough.
She did not hear back from Carrboro yet, but the Town of Hillsborough said the Mayor
was fine with having the meeting or canceling it.
Commissioner Rich said she does not think that the full Town Council was even
aware of the postponement request from the Mayor. She said the Food Council’s item
was time sensitive, and it needs some additional funding.
Chair Dorosin referred to the Food Council, and said there is a discussion of it
going from an outside agency to a set up like the Partnership to End Homelessness.
Bonnie Hammersley said if the AOG does not happen, a budget amendment
could be done if necessary.
Commissioner Jacobs said if this is a timing issue, then Orange County can
address the need, and then address the issue with its partners.
Commissioner Jacobs asked Chair Dorosin to challenge the Mayor to come up
with a date in the near future, rather than wait until April 2018. He said to add the
School Board chairs to the AOG meetings.
Commissioner Marcoplos said this meeting has been on the calendar for a long
time and effort has been put into planning for the meeting, but it is not the BOCC’s place
to order another entity to do anything. He said he can accept the postponement.
Commissioner McKee said if the BOCC wanted a postponement, he would
expect an accommodation; thus he would like to respect the Town’s request, and try to
get another date scheduled.
Chair Dorosin said he will follow up with the Mayor of Chapel Hill to see if there is
any further information. He said he wants to respect the Town of Chapel Hill, but feels
that the postponement request, in and of itself, is disrespectful; especially due to the
previous meeting where all, but one, agenda items were discussed and agreed upon.
He said if the Town insists on a postponement, he will postpone the meeting.
Commissioner Rich asked if the Food Council item could be added to the
November 20th regular BOCC meeting.
The Board agreed by consensus.
Commissioner Jacobs reiterated his request for a specific rescheduled date
sooner rather than later, with the inclusion of the School Board Chairs, and anyone else
who may want to attend.
1. Board of Commissioners - Annual Advisory Board Selection Process
Discussion
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Chair Dorosin said this issue came up last February, due to an expressed desire
to increase diversity and broader participation on boards. He said the policy was not
changed, but the BOCC agreed to discuss it at a later time.
Chair Dorosin said he proposes the alternative that no board slots are saved at
all, and all seats are open. He said in the first round, one cannot pick a board on which
one currently serves. He said in all subsequent rounds, the Commissioners could
choose freely. He said this would allow Commissioners the opportunity to serve on all
manner of Boards.
Commissioner Rich said she and Commissioner Marcoplos are on the Chatham
Orange Work Group, but it has never met. She asked if it was going to meet.
Craig Benedict, Planning Director, said Orange County had been asked by
Chatham to delay until September 2017, but staff has still not been given a date when
this group will meet.
Commissioner Rich asked if two new Commissioners will be assigned to this
group, if the first meeting is not being scheduled until January 2018.
Craig Benedict said all entities have made appointments, and it could be
suggested to start in January.
Donna Baker said the Boards and Commissions will be chosen in February, as
there is no work session in January.
Chair Dorosin said the choices could be made in January at the BOCC retreat.
Commissioner Price suggested that Commissioner Marcoplos and Commissioner
Rich stay on the Chatham Orange Work group since it has never met.
Commissioner Rich said her point is that the BOCC waits too long to assign
boards and commissions.
Chair Dorosin said he would like to discuss the policy first.
Commissioner McKee said some of these boards need continuity, and he is not
married to any of the boards on which he serves. He said there is a learning curve on
some of the Boards, but he is happy to change any of the boards on which he serves.
He asked if there is a goal hoping to be achieved by changing the policy.
Chair Dorosin said all of the Commissioners are responsible for everything that
the County does, and there is an overreliance of people staying on boards too long. He
said the best example is GoTriangle, and the rest of the Board is left under informed as
it relies on the one member serving on a board. He said he trusts all the
Commissioners, but thinks the Commissioners would be better served by gaining
knowledge of many boards, by serving on many types of boards.
Commissioner Marcoplos asked if there is a middle path between changing every
year, and allowing a Commissioner to serve on one board for years on end. He said he
would want Commissioner Jacobs to stay on GoTriangle at this time, but perhaps some
other boards could be shuffled around via open dialogue.
Chair Dorosin said he believed that his proposal is a middle path. He said not
saving positions does not mean that all positions will be shuffled.
Commissioner Jacobs said when he joined the BOCC, he was given the board
positions of the Commissioner that he replaced on the BOCC. He said there was no
choice, but over the years this process has become more open.
Commissioner Jacobs said a limit could be placed on how long a Commissioner
could be on any board. He said each Commissioner could have one pick, and if one is
an officer that could be one’s pick, or not. He said the rest can be negotiated, rather
than a round robin, leading to a less formal process. He said there are some arguments
about continuity, and when one is up to speed on a board, one becomes a more
effective member.
Commissioner Burroughs said she is inclined to keep a process, and she would
go with the proposed one or a modified version.
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Commissioner Marcoplos said he would put a three-year term limit on positions,
and make it retroactive.
Commissioner Price agreed that they need a process, and to continue to keep
one board (either one of choice, or due to being an officer) for however long.
Commissioner Rich said she liked Chair Dorosin’s proposal. She said if the first
round is open, it may take care of the term limits. She agreed with having a process.
Commissioner Jacobs said he does not feel that strong about any of this.
Chair Dorosin said this proposal is forcing the BOCC to do something different.
He said if term limits are imposed, it should be two years. He said that ‘no saves’
produces the outcome that Commissioner Jacobs provided.
Commissioner McKee said he still does not see a problem, but rather a solution
searching for a problem. He said the existing process is good, and term limits would be
fine, but he does not know what the problem is. He said this seems like change for the
sake of change.
Chair Dorosin said he disagrees, and there are people in the same positions for
years, which limits the exposure and engagement of other BOCC members.
Commissioner McKee said throwing the process wide-open limits the continuity.
Commissioner Price agreed with Commissioner McKee.
Chair Dorosin said the current process, having one Commissioner potentially
serving on the same board for years on end, is not collectively good for Orange County.
Commissioner Price said she would like to pick at least one to keep.
Commissioner Jacobs said he does not really see what the problem is, but he
understands what Chair Dorosin is trying to achieve. He said he would prefer having an
option to have a conversation about giving up boards that are picked.
Commissioner Rich said part of this conversation was raised by Commissioner
Jacobs due to Commissioner Gordon being on the Metropolitan Planning Organization
(MPO) for 18 years, which led to the rest of BOCC having no understanding of the MPO.
Commissioner Jacobs said he agrees that a Commissioner should not serve on
the same board for that many years.
Commissioner Rich asked if Commissioner Jacobs is seeking open dialogue,
and if this would be effective. She said this current BOCC may be able to talk openly,
but not all Boards can.
Commissioner Jacobs said if a term limit is added, this problem could be
addressed.
Commissioner Price asked if there is a reason that the BOCC cannot trade
between the work session and the official vote.
Chair Dorosin said it should be done in an open meeting in the interest of
transparency
Chair Dorosin said there are several options, which could be combined:
• Option A – His proposed process: wide open in round one; no saves; and pick as
you like thereafter.
• Option B – keep the current process
• Option C – modified current process: one save only (whether an officer or not)
• Option D – add term limits
• Option E – one save; instead of going around the circle, go down the list of
boards to see who is interested. If more than one Commissioner is interested
then have discussion or decide via a vote.
Commissioner Rich said option E could become very personal.
Commissioner McKee said he would support option C with the addition of term
limits.
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Commissioner Marcoplos said he agrees, and would want to make the term limits
retroactive.
Commissioner Rich said term limits should be 2 years.
Commissioner McKee said to start the term limits anew, not retroactively.
Chair Dorosin said the combining of options C and D seems most favorable, with
two-year term limits, a round robin process, and collegial conversation. He said option E
could be added, but that does not seem well supported by the BOCC. He asked if the
Clerk could bring this back for approval and the Board agreed.
Chair Dorosin said he wanted to bring up one more housekeeping item: when
the Board votes for Chair/Vice Chair in December, it is done via a written ballot that is
given to the Clerk; the Clerk reads the votes, but never states who voted for whom. He
said he finds this to be inappropriate, and akin to a secret ballot. He said the votes are
public record, but he thinks the votes, and who cast them, should be read aloud.
Commissioner McKee said it is available to the public as a public record anyway.
Chair Dorosin asked if there is a reason that the Clerk should not read this
information aloud, as it allows for greater transparency.
Commissioner Burroughs agreed with Chair Dorosin.
Commissioner Price asked if a written ballot is even necessary, or is a show of
hands acceptable.
John Roberts said the action will be reflected in the minutes, which is the official
record. He said other boards have used electronic voting, which shows up on the video
screen of the meeting.
Commissioner Price said if the intention is to see who is voting for whom, then
there is no need for a ballot; a raising of hands will suffice.
Commissioner Jacobs said any changes should be added to a future agenda for
a vote.
The Clerk will provide an abstract at the November 20th meeting.
2. Review and Update of Portions of the Unified Development Ordinance and
Code of Ordinances
John Roberts presented each of these items. His recommendations are noted in
red:
The purpose of this item is to both provide an update to the Board of Commissioners on
ordinance amendments that are in process and request direction from the Board on
what action to take on ordinances that may be outdated and no longer relevant, not
authorized by law, or confusing and burdensome to the public. The County Attorney
provided an overview and gave a brief background on the following ordinances for
discussion:
• Unified Development Ordinance
• Conditional Use Districts – Update
• Number of Land Uses – Update
• Major Subdivisions – Update
• Code of Ordinances
• Chapter 1; General Penalties – Request Direction
• Chapter 4; Animal Control – Update-Amendment forthcoming
• Chapter 6; Insulation Contractors – Repeal recommended
• Chapter 10; Cable Communications – Removal from Code recommended
• Chapter 16; Noise – Request Direction
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• Chapter 18; Skateboarding, Animals – Repeal recommended
• Chapter 24; Exposure of the Female Body – Repeal recommended
• Chapter 34; Solid Waste Management – Update
UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE
Conditional Use Districts- Better option (Conditional Zoning) already exists in the UDO;
both the North Carolina Bar Association and the University of North Carolina, School of
Government has recommended that the legislature repeal Conditional Use District
authority for multiple reasons. The legislature is currently working on this. It is unduly
burdensome to applicants and County staff. It requires a legislative rezoning AND a
quasi-judicial hearing. Everything that may be accomplished in a Conditional Use District
may be accomplished through Conditional Zoning.
• “A conditional use district rezoning is initiated when the owner asks for a
rezoning to a new zoning district that does not have any automatically permitted
uses, only uses allowed by the issuance of a conditional use permit. In the usual
conditional use district rezoning process, the owner applies for a special or
conditional use permit for a particular project at the same time the rezoning is
requested and the two decisions (the rezoning and the permit) are considered in
a single proceeding.” (UNC School of Government)
• “This is different from a conditional use district in that there is no accompanying
conditional use permit. All of the site specific standards and conditions
(sometimes including a site plan) are incorporated into the zoning district
regulations.” (UNC School of Government)
The Board agreed for John Roberts to begin the repeal to planning board and staff.
Reduce the number of land uses - Planning is currently rewriting the Table of Permitted
Uses, so this is the best time to reduce the number of land uses. Examples for cleanup:
No need for distinctions between Bed & Breakfast, Bed & Breakfast Inn, Country Inn,
Residential Hotel, Rooming House, etc.
Commissioner Price asked if an Airbnb could go in here.
John Roberts said yes it could be here, either within an existing group or as one
of its own.
Chair Dorosin asked if, referring to his example, there is a difference in all of
these, and if the purpose is to have fewer uses and broader definition.
John Roberts said yes.
Chair Dorosin said an existing Country Inn would still have a category under
which it would fall, but it may be a new umbrella term.
John Roberts gave the example that bed and breakfast and bed and breakfast
inn could be combined into one category with an either/or definitional structure; and
country inn, residential hotel and rooming house could be combined into another
category with a separate either/or definitional structure. He said these changes will
make this easier to read for the applicants. He said every use should be covered as
much as possible, but it can be better categorized.
The Board agreed by consensus for John Roberts to proceed with the amendment.
GENERAL ORDINANCES
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Chapter 1
Penalties- The Board indicated it may not be comfortable with violations of county
ordinances resulting in a $500 fine and 30 days in jail. Reducing the penalties here will
reduce the penalties for all those ordinances that don’t have a specific penalty included
within their terms.
Commissioner Price said her concern with this one is that it sounds like the
County is creating a debtors prison.
John Roberts said each offense is a separate offense, and could result in
thousands of dollars. He does not think that jail time has ever been imposed.
Commissioner Jacobs asked if this has been changed anytime recently, because
he thought the BOCC objected previously to a $500 fine, and changed the wording to
“not to exceed $500.”
John Roberts said some ordinances have individual penalties, and this is the
general catchall penalty for the entire ordinance. He said some other individual
ordinances specify certain terms.
Commissioner Jacobs said all should say up to $500, or 30 days in jail, as this
gives the BOCC discretion.
Chair Dorosin asked if these penalties always come back to the Board, or only if
the offending party decides to make an appeal.
John Roberts said these penalties do not come back to the Board unless there
was an amendment, and he provided an example of violations of the solid waste
ordinance due to a lack of permit, and there was a $500 fine for each day of continued
violation. He said this rose to tens of thousands of dollars in fines. He said the case
was ultimately settled, permits obtained, and a much lesser amount of fees paid.
Commissioner Marcoplos clarified that one could receive a $500 fine and 30
days in jail for putting the wrong type of insulation in a wall, that may have gone
unnoticed.
John Roberts said this is on here for discussion because the Chief Building
Inspector said this ordinance has never been enforced during his 14-year tenure, and it
would be difficult to do so due to substantial changes in state law since the ordinance
was implemented.
Commissioner Marcoplos said what happens to these types of laws.
John Roberts said laws remain until they are repealed, and he did not know that
this was not being enforced.
Commissioner Rich asked if there is a reason to have an ordinance that is not
being enforced, or cannot be enforced.
Chair Dorosin said this is the point of the discussion, and this specific example is
recommended for repeal.
Commissioner Price said if this item is going to remain, then the fine should be
up to $500 and up to 30 days in jail.
John Roberts said that is the general penalty right now, and if the Board wants
him to look at other ordinances that do not include “up to” language, he can do so and
bring those back as well to repeal or amended.
Commissioner Price asked if there is someone responsible for determining
penalty or jail time.
John Roberts said it depends on the type of offense. He said the department
director would determine a civil penalty, and a judge would determine a criminal penalty
in the court system.
Commissioner Price asked if this is true of jail time as well.
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John Roberts said a judge, via a prosecution by the District Attorney’s office,
always determines jail time, and only in criminal cases.
The Board agreed by consensus to change the wording to “up to $500” on all
ordinances.
Chapter 4
Animal Control Ordinance- Amend to clearly specify what may be appealed to the
appeal panels. Current language is problematic in that it could be construed to allow
appeal of items not traditionally subject to appeal.
John Roberts said this amendment will come back to the Board in December or
January. He said the current language could be interpreted to allow appeal of every
action that the Animal Services Department takes to the hearing pool and the Superior
Court. He said this was not the intent of the language.
Commissioner McKee asked if one is able to appeal in all cases anyway.
John Roberts said one can always sue the County.
Chapter 6
Insulation Contractors Ordinance - Obsolete and no longer enforced. The state building
code has been amended substantially since this ordinance was adopted. The state
building code now allows contractors to engage numerous alternative compliance
methods that circumvent the ordinance.
John Roberts said if the BOCC is comfortable with repealing this, he would
recommend that division 1 be left in place, with some amending of the language as to
the insulation that is put in County buildings.
Commissioner Marcoplos clarified that this law would be in place only for County
buildings.
John Roberts said yes, if the BOCC is interested in this.
Commissioner Marcoplos asked if this could be achieved via a contract as
opposed to a law.
John Roberts said yes it could.
The Board agreed to add this language to contracts instead of an ordinance and
to repeal the ordinance.
Chapter 10
Cable Communications Ordinance - Governs franchises and thus not appropriate for the
Code of Ordinances as franchise ordinances are maintained separate and apart from
the Code. John Roberts recommended the Board remove from Code and maintain as a
separate franchise ordinance template for possible repeal at a later date. The County’s
franchise with Time Warner expired in 2009 and the authority for granting and renewing
such franchises was withdrawn by the legislature in SL 2006-151
The Board agreed.
Chapter 16
Noise Ordinance - Board members previously indicated the board may wish to amend
the noise ordinance.
John Roberts said Board members have expressed some concerns about this.
He said section 16-52 is different from section 16-53, with the difference being that 16-
52 prohibits specific actions on a property from 9:00 p.m. to 9:00 a.m.…lawn mowers,
chain saws, compression engines, etc.; and section 16-53 refers to the decibel
measurement restrictions come into play.
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John Roberts said this item is for Board discussion.
Commissioner Rich referred to “unreasonably loud,” and asked if this is
considered in the meter measurement on 16-53, or if it is a subjective opinion.
John Roberts said unreasonably loud is defined on page 7.
Commissioner Marcoplos clarified that if one is more than 300 feet away, then
the law is not applicable.
John Roberts said yes.
Commissioner Marcoplos said a friend, who owns land near him, had another
friend who wanted to test a semi-automatic weapon. He said this land is about 300
yards away from his own house, but the shooting sounded as though it were in the back
yard.
John Roberts said the Sheriff reports that regulating firearm discharge is hard to
enforce with the way the ordinance is written. He said firearms discharge is specifically
exempt from enforcement under this ordinance.
Commissioner Burroughs asked if it is exempt from the ordinance due to the 2nd
amendment.
John Roberts said it was just how the ordinance was written. He said this can be
found on page 10, number 17. He said even if the exemption did not exist, the Sheriff
reports it would still be difficult to enforce. He said the Sheriff is willing to speak to this
matter.
John Roberts said it is lawful to regulate firearms discharge though a noise
ordinance, but there are restrictions in state law as to how it could be enforced or
applied to properties.
Commissioner Burroughs asked if the difficulty in enforcement is because of the
state law.
John Roberts said yes. He said if the exemption were to be removed, the state
law says that noise ordinances or nuisance ordinances cannot be applied to sports
shooting ranges, if those sport-shooting ranges are in compliance with that ordinance at
the time they began operations. He said the definition of a sport shooting range is very
vague.
Commissioner Jacobs said the Firearms Safety Committee grappled with how to
use the ordinance to address noises (gunfire), without impinging on rights to hunt, and
he said there were concerns about rapid fire shooting versus target shooting, and time
of day shooting. He said this was left unresolved, with the idea that it would come back
through the noise ordinance. He said whatever is decided, there should be further
discussion, especially as to whether neighbors have a legitimate issue with some
impingement on their sense of safety and peace of mind.
Commissioner McKee said he is not sure how the interplay would be seen by
state law if a small group of people got together to target shoot in a backyard setting.
He asked if this would be defined as a sport-shooting range.
John Roberts read the definition of sport shooting in the state law, which has not
been challenged in court. He said this does not mean one can go into one’s back yard
and shoot against a tree.
John Roberts said the Board could alleviate some concerns with firearm shooting
time limitations.
Commissioner Rich said when noise happens the Sheriff’s office checks it out,
and by the time they arrive everything has stopped. She asked if it is possible to
enforce ordinances.
Chair Dorosin that is a common problem with all noise complaints.
Commissioner Burroughs said time restrictions aligned with state hunting laws
may be worth exploring.
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Commissioner Marcoplos said what is the neighborly thing to do, and he usually
tells his neighbors if he is having a party; and that is what people should do even with
shooting. He asked if there is any way to require people to talk to their neighbors.
John Roberts said communication cannot be required, but an educational
campaign that encourages such communication could be done.
Chair Dorosin said a good neighbor campaign could be tried, and perhaps the
National Rifle Association (NRA) could help.
Commissioner McKee agreed, and it worked with the deer hunting issue, which is
greatly improved.
Chair Dorosin said there is value to educating residents on the limitations of the
State law and the County ordinances.
Commissioner Marcoplos said he is totally against involving the NRA, and the
County should create its own campaign.
Commissioner Rich said it is important for residents to move away from the belief
that the BOCC is doing nothing about issues about the noise around the Barn. She said
the BOCC is listening to the concerns, but there are limits on what the BOCC can do.
Commissioner Marcoplos said to have a public neighbor campaign, encouraging
residents to communicate with neighbors, and be more cognizant of how actions are
affecting their neighbors. He said a large part of this is explaining the limits of the
law/ordinance.
Chair Dorosin said there appears to be some interest in adding time limitations to
gun shooting/practicing.
Commissioner Jacobs said it does not hurt to have an education campaign
stating, “in accordance with State law on restricting the hours of hunting, Orange County
asks that you restrict your shooting to a certain time frame. And if you plan to shoot,
please notify your neighbors of what you are doing”. He said a combination of both an
educational campaign and time limitations may be wise.
Commissioner Rich asked if there is a reason that this did not get resolved
during the firearms safety committee.
Commissioner McKee said the dialogue at the final meetings was scattered, and
an agreement could not be reached. He said as the discussion started to dissolve, it
became more acrimonious and personal, with no hope of compromise. He asked
Commissioner Marcoplos if there is a reason why he feels so strongly about not
involving the NRA.
Commissioner Marcoplos said the County can achieve such a campaign on its
own without involving the NRA, which only wants to expand the use and sale of guns.
Commissioner McKee agreed that the NRA is not interested in expanding
regulations, but he found the deer hunting campaign to be far more effective due to the
involvement of the NRA. He said he would not want to close the door on the
involvement of the NRA.
Commissioner Marcoplos said a good neighbor policy should require gun
shooters to consult their neighbors, but should also require neighbors to be amenable to
the conversation about reasonable times of shooting.
Chair Dorosin summarized the agreed upon actions: taking out the exception;
time limitations; educational campaign.
Commissioner Jacobs said if this comes back to the BOCC, it should be placed
as a regular item on an agenda, and not as a consent agenda item.
Commissioner Price asked if this discussion only pertains to firearms noise, or
does it pertain to all noise, such as a chainsaw, etc.
Chair Dorosin said those other items are already in the ordinance.
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John Roberts said he would look at the time limits for the hunting state laws, and
bring forth some options. He said firearm noise would likely be separate from other
noise limits.
Commissioner Jacobs asked if the Clerk would notify the members of the
firearms committee when this item comes back.
Chair Dorosin said the Board can see if matching the times limits is important
when this item comes back.
Chapter 18
Weapons Ordinance - State law requires certain concealed firearms be allowed in areas
the ordinance currently restricts. Need to update definitions and prohibitions to comply
with state law.
John Roberts said an amendment is forthcoming.
John Roberts said the next two are related:
Skateboarding Ordinance - Prohibited in facilities use policy. Having it in the Code
criminalizes this activity.
Animals Ordinance - Prohibits dogs in county-owned buildings except in limited
circumstances. Allowable circumstances don’t comply with current law.
John Roberts said the language in the Animals Ordinance is not compliant with
Federal law, and the Skateboarding Ordinance is already in the facilities use policy, and
having it in the ordinance criminalizes the activity. He said if a criminal action is needed
on this activity, it could simply be a trespass. He said the language in the Animals
Ordinance is probably unlawful, and there is a provision allowing service animals in
County buildings in the facilities use policy. He recommends repealing both of these.
Commissioner McKee asked if the Federal law specifically identifies dogs as the
only service animal.
John Roberts said no.
Commissioner Price referred to skateboarding, and admitted she is no fan of it;
but she asked if an Olympic sport should be criminalized. She said many cities embrace
skateboarding, and the County needs to get with the times to a certain extent.
John Roberts said he is recommending repealing the skateboarding ordinance.
Commissioner Jacobs said a skate park was once considered for Twin Creeks
Park, but this park was never developed. He said it may be a good idea to incorporate
this into a County park.
Chair Dorosin said consensus is to allow skateboarding, and to comply with
Federal law regarding service animals, repealing both ordinances.
Chapter 24
Regulating Exposure of Female Human Body Ordinance - Likely illegal and
discriminatory. The Board agreed this should be repealed.
Chapter 34
Solid Waste Management Ordinance - The passage of House Bill 56 may require
amendment to the ordinance, particularly with regard to flow control. This may be
combined with a previously requested full ordinance rewrite.
John Roberts said there are many things that can be cleaned up and his office is
working on this.
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Additional Discussion
Chair Dorosin asked if there is an update on the permitted uses table that the
BOCC reviewed previously.
Craig Benedict said the County must list each item that it wants to prohibit. He
said this makes the list bigger, which is not the County’s goal. He said staff is trying to
cluster items, and have definitions that cover as many uses as possible.
Michael Harvey, Project Coordinator Current Planning, said there is a fine
balance, and he is trying to be as inclusive as he can. He said one of the elements
associated with this is incorporating comments made by elected officials and the
Planning Board from last year concerning the various Economic Development Districts
(EDD). He said the table of permitted uses project is not going to consolidate the nine
EDDs that currently exist, however consolidation would be a good idea.
Craig Benedict said decisions need to be made about the procedures, and which
processes are easier and which ones are harder. He said specific uses have to be
married to a process.
Commissioner Marcoplos asked if it is the State which says if a use it not
specifically prohibited, then it must be allowed.
Michael Harvey said the States wants ordinances to be as inclusive as possible,
so that the layman can read and understand them. He said this was reaffirmed by the
Bird vs. Franklin State Supreme Court case. He said staff is seeking to assure that
viable uses are listed, and identified as permissible or not; or expanding definitions to
insure that staff is categorizing independent land uses to avoid the embarrassment of a
land owner saying, “It is not listed, so I can do it.”
Commissioner Marcoplos asked if such a situation has ever arisen.
Michael Harvey said yes, in the Bird vs. Franklin case, which involved a shooting
range.
Commissioner Marcoplos said that the local government made a mistake.
Michael Harvey said yes, and that is why staff is looking at this very carefully.
Commissioner Marcoplos asked if there is any recourse that can be taken should
a resident come up with a use that simply could not have been predicted, and thus
included in the list of prohibited uses.
Craig Benedict said the County should not be in interpretive mode, as there is
not meant to be a lot of discretion in decision-making. He said if there is a very good
definition that seems to cover as much as possible, and staff deems a use as prohibited,
the resident can appeal that decision.
A motion was made by Commissioner Price, seconded by Commissioner
Burroughs to adjourn the meeting at 9:34 p.m.
VOTE: UNANIMOUS
Mark Dorosin, Chair
Donna Baker
Clerk to the Board
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