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MINUTES
ORANGE COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS
WORK SESSION
April 19, 2012
7:OOpm
The Orange County Board of Commissioners met for a Work Session on Thursday, April 19,
2012 at 7:00 p.m. at the Southern Human Services Center, in Chapel Hill, N.C.
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS PRESENT: Chair Bernadette Pelissier and Commissioners
Valerie Foushee, Alice M. Gordon, Barry Jacobs, Earl McKee, and Steve Yuhasz
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ABSENT: Pam Hemminger
COUNTY ATTORNEY PRESENT: John Roberts
COUNTY STAFF PRESENT: County Manager Frank Clifton, Assistant County Managers
Gwen Harvey and Michael Talbert and Clerk to the Board Donna S. Baker (All other staff
members will be identified appropriately below)
Chair Pelissier asked that the Board add a closed session at the end of this meeting.
A motion was made by Commissioner Yuhasz, seconded by Commissioner McKee to
add a closed session for the purpose of: per NCGS per 143-318.11(a)(3) to consult with an
attorney regarding the ongoing case of Orange County vs. Eno River Parking Deck.
VOTE: UNANIMOUS
1. Discussion of Proposed Public Affairs and Information Officer Position
Frank Clifton said that staff has developed at the direction of the Board of County
Commissioners a draft job description of the Public Affairs and Information Officer Position.
There was a staff retreat and Laurie Paolicelli created a video on external feedback from
citizens on Orange County's assets.
Laurie Paolicelli showed a video of citizens answering questions of the staff. She said
that staff worked with a professional video company to find people throughout the county to
interview.
Frank Clifton said that this highlights the difficulty of trying to reach the many diverse
segments that reside in Orange County. He said that Orange County is getting ready to
advertise and a lot of the direction they pursue depends on the strengths of the person they
hire.
Commissioner Gordon made reference to the relationship with the Clerk's office. She
said that this is proposed to be under the Manager, but it seems separate from what the Clerk
and the Commissioners do. She asked about the relationship.
Frank Clifton said that David Hunt gets the official messages out for the Board of
County Commissioners and this will continue. He said that one person cannot do it all.
Commissioner Gordon asked about the Strategic Communications Plan and noted that
the Board of County Commissioners would like to have input into the new plan which is to be
created. The way it is written, it will be left to the new staff person to develop and implement
the plan.
Frank Clifton said that it depends on the primary skill sets of the person that is hired.
Some of it will piggyback on other functions and the plan would be to bring it back to the Board
in an organized fashion.
Commissioner Gordon said that, in terms of the broader policy, the Board of County
Commissioners will be involved. She said that they need to be mindful that when they are
dealing with controversial or complex items, that the County Commissioners receive this
information ahead of time so they can be prepared.
Commissioner Jacobs said that there have been repeated discussions about the Chair
and Vice-Chair picking issues at agenda review and doing news releases. This would be a
simple place to do this. They need to be more proactive.
Commissioner Jacobs asked who is going to be responsible for maintaining the listing
for the media members.
Frank Clifton said that it will be both David Hunt and this PIO.
Commissioner Jacobs made reference to page 3 of the abstract and the third bullet:
- Develops and implements public information programs for internal and external
distribution. Promotes awareness of County operations, services and programs
utilizing multiple media outlets such as radio, televisions, cable, print, and social
media. Serves as Orange County's media representative on significant endeavors,
breaking stories and news features; writes and distributes media advisories, press
releases, fact sheets, annual reports, legislative responses and other official
documents. Develops and delivers presentations for community groups.
Coordinates a variety of special events, relevant news conferences and community
meetings.
He said that this is the key function, to let people know what they are getting for their
money.
Commissioner Jacobs asked about the $80,000 budget for this position. Laurie
Paolicelli said that she and Frank Clifton talked about this and it would be a line item from the
Visitor's Bureau budget for the marketing process. It would be stretched over two years. It is a
ballpark estimate.
Commissioner Jacobs said that he wants to be careful in using money for self-
promotion. Laurie Paolicelli said that the $80,000 is for programming costs.
Frank Clifton said that this process is not to promote the Board of County
Commissioners individually but the County as a whole. They need to hire someone that may
not be currently involved in county government but can communicate with the regular citizen
that may not know about county government.
2. Specific Policies for Board of County Commissioners' Advisory Boards
County Attorney John Roberts said that the Board of County Commissioners adopted
the overall advisory board policy about two months ago, but they need a specific document for
each board. These drafts are based on the current procedures that are in place with the
exception of the Economic Development Commission, which is brand new. The Commission
for the Environment and the Human Relations Commission have submitted changes and they
are not included in the packet.
The Human Relations Commission thinks that these policies are complex, confusing,
restrictive, and will result in fewer and less diverse applicants. The process was not open and
sought no input from the advisory boards. It imposes a burden on current volunteer advisory
board members.
John Roberts said that these 11 boards are ready for the Board's review and
discussion.
Commissioner Gordon said that a few of the board policies have some things about
attendance and residency but others did not, some had information about special meetings
and others did not, etc.
John Roberts said that each board policy will be different. The general policy has
provisions for residency and such and that would cover all boards.
Commissioner Gordon said that if something, such as residency, is specifically in an
individual board policy, then it should be in all of them.
John Roberts said that each board has different responsibilities and Commissioner
Gordon said that she just wanted to find out the process that was used, and how it was applied
to the policies of the various boards.
Commissioner Yuhasz said that some of what he said is similar to what Commissioner
Gordon said because these are not all formatted the same. It would be helpful to have the
same items under the different sections under each board's policy.
OUTBoard
Commissioner Gordon made reference to Duties, Section 2a, and said that she would
like to acknowledge that the board will work on things besides roadway and transit needs. She
suggested adding, "and other transportation needs" to this sentence. The Board agreed.
Chair Pelissier made reference to page 4, 3-b, and said that she thought there was no
Transportation Services Board anymore. She suggested striking this. The Board agreed.
Commissioner Jacobs asked why it stipulates that members have to serve one year,
etc.
John Roberts said that this is a holdover from the current policy.
Commissioner Jacobs suggested eliminating the language about the specific terms and
create a template for new boards should something like this be needed.
Commissioner Yuhasz said that in a lot of these bylaws there were specific times and
locations for meetings. He suggested striking these.
John Roberts said that this is in the OUTBoard bylaws at the request of staff members
because there was concern from staff that the start times for this board have been extremely
random.
Commissioner Jacobs said that the bylaws could state that the boards should adopt a
set meeting schedule annually.
Commissioner Gordon said that there could be a general wording such as "every 1St
Wednesday," etc.
Commissioner Foushee said that it does not have to be in the specific bylaws but in a
general location such as the website.
Commissioner Yuhasz clarified that the general policy would be that each board would
adopt a meeting schedule annually for time and location and that it would be distributed.
The detailed information will be deleted from these particular bylaws.
Economic Development Advisory Board (New Board):
Economic Development Director Steve Brantley said that he participated in drafting the
bylaws for this board.
Frank Clifton said that the key to this is decided on how many members for this board.
He suggested that membership be between 7-11 members.
Steve Brantley said that there are some enthusiastic candidates that are calling about
this board — Chambers of Commerce and representatives from various business sectors.
Frank Clifton said that there will really be two groups — an advisory board and those
with a specific skill set to help with special projects.
Chair Pelissier said that there was discussion about spinning this off to be a private
entity at some point. She asked if that would be a role of this group.
Frank Clifton said that he would want to make sure they have the right people in place
before spinning off.
Commissioner Yuhasz said that spinning off would be better as a specific charge to the
board after it has been in session for a while.
Commissioner Jacobs said that the working group idea is similar to the MPO format.
He said that it sounds like they are not going to advertise for any citizen applicants or have any
Board of County Commissioners' recommendations.
Frank Clifton said that they wanted to go out to the community to find the people with
the credentials they are looking for and bring back that list to the Board of County
Commissioners.
Commissioner Jacobs said that this Board has traditionally looked at the demographics
for boards. He does not think that it is appropriate for the staff to do this. It is a function of the
Board of County Commissioners. He would like to have some appearance that this process is
open.
Commissioner Gordon said that the way she reads this is that this is an advisory board
and it should be appointed by the Board of County Commissioners. Also, she does not want
the majority of this board to consist of non-Orange County residents.
Commissioner Yuhasz said that this board does not need an open recruitment format
because of the nature of this board. He suggested adding in that the majority of the board
should be residents of Orange County.
Frank Clifton said that the reality is that the development community does not know the
boundary line.
Commissioner Foushee said that she tends to agree with the comments that
Commissioner Yuhasz said with moving forward on this board in a different manner. She said
that this board needs the expertise to move forward with economic development.
Commissioner Jacobs suggested also having someone from the non-profit sector
because it is a different perspective.
Chair Pelissier clarified that the Board does not want to open this up to the open
recruitment process but wants to see more than 9 recommendations to vote on. She said that
the County is also partnering with the Chambers of Commerce and there would be some
vetting there too.
Commissioner Gordon made reference to page 9, Section 3, item 3 and suggested
leaving out "having direct economic development interest in Orange County." All other Board
members wanted to leave this comment in.
Commissioner Jacobs said that if there is a non-profit representative, there would be 10
members.
Discussion ensued because the positions are not listed one-to-one.
The Board agreed to change the membership to 10.
Commissioner Gordon made reference to page 9, item 6-c, and asked if they should
take out "and/or" because it seems ambiguous.
Frank Clifton said that this is the technical group of advisors that would work on an
individual project. The people chosen would depend on the type of project.
Commissioner Jacobs suggested saying, "in consultation with appropriate members of
the Economic Development Advisory Board." This is clear who would be choosing. The Board
agreed.
Arts Commission
Commissioner Yuhasz asked if these membership terms should be the same as the
rest of the boards.
John Roberts said that Martha Shannon was very tied to the existing bylaws.
Commissioner Yuhasz said that he would like to see these specific bylaws reduced by
the general bylaws that are applicable for each of these boards. He suggested only putting
into the individual bylaws those things that were not in the general policy. He said that
someone needs to develop a format.
John Roberts said that each board was given the exact same format and
Commissioner Yuhasz said that the format was not followed.
Commissioner Jacobs agreed with Commissioner Yuhasz and said that there are the
general standards for the boards and to ask staff to make sure that there are not duplications
in their individual policies.
Chair Pelissier said that she remembers discussing this and that the Board decided to
have all of the terms the same for the different boards.
Chair Pelissier clarified that the Board wanted the specific bylaws to only have the
items in them that are different from the general policy.
Commissioner Yuhasz said that he does not want to review these policies until the
changes have been made by each board. He proposed deciding on a specific format and
sending out to all boards and having them follow the specific changes only.
Commissioner Jacobs agreed.
John Roberts made reference to page 9, #5 and Length of Service. This should have
gone into the general advisory board policy. He said that he could bring it back for review at
an agenda in the next couple of months.
Chair Pelissier said that she noticed that some boards asked for a representative from
Chapel Hill, Carrboro, and Hillsborough, but no rural representative. She asked if the Board
wanted to consider adding that. The Board agreed to add this for boards that specify the three
towns only.
Commissioner Yuhasz asked that Mebane be considered as well.
Commissioner Gordon asked if it was appropriate to mention that something is in the
UDO, like for the Planning Board. She suggested that this be allowed.
This item will come back for further discussion at a work session.
3. Follow-up Discussion of the Manager's Recommended 2012-2017 Capital
Investment Plan (CIP)
Paul Laughton said that he has provided updates from the March 15th meeting. There
is also an hour set aside for discussion on May 24th
Commissioner Jacobs asked if the school presentation could be first since the OCS
representatives are present.
Paul Laughton made reference to bullet#5 on page 2 of the abstract, which references
Attachment 4, a letter from the OCS Board Chair and Vice-Chair regarding some emerging
capital needs.
OCS Board Chair Donna Coffey said that OCS is starting to grow and Mebane has
kicked Orange County into a growth spurt. There is a need for a new elementary school
sometime between 2015-16/2016-17. Since the SAPFO was created, there has been a great
pre-K program, but they have lost 154 elementary seats in this process. The capacity numbers
in SAPFO do not allow for this loss, so the capacity numbers are over stated. CHCCS has the
same issue. When she wrote the letter, they assumed they would lose 225 seats in the
reassessment, but it is actually 352 seats. If OCS can build the addition onto Cedar Ridge,
then high school capacity will last until 2020-21.
Commissioner Yuhasz asked if OCS has talked with Mebane to find out if the
residential growth will continue in Orange County.
Donna Coffey said that she has not spoken with anyone from Mebane. She said that
there is capacity now that the sewer line has been extended near Gravelly Hill Middle School.
Commissioner Yuhasz said that if more growth is expected from Mebane, then a new
elementary school should be placed near the Mebane growth area. He sent an email to the
Manager of Mebane asking whether the subdivision regulations include the provision for
reserving school sites. He has not yet received a response.
Donna Coffey said that there is also a lot of growth from Hillsborough and Churton
Grove.
Commissioner Jacobs said that there was a meeting with Mebane last year and both
parties agreed to do joint planning. Nothing has been done in this regard. He urged the Board
to get on with this.
Chair Pelissier suggested focusing on the Mebane area or the Hillsborough area for a
new elementary school. In the long term, both areas need to be considered for future school
sites.
Chair Pelissier asked what would happen to the debt ceiling if the County decides to
fund this new elementary school #8.
Commissioner Gordon said that the question is where Mebane is going to grow, then
the urban services boundary, and then the MPO boundary. She said that the Board cannot act
on information tonight contained in the new handouts or in the CIP because it needs to go
through the SAPFO process first. She thinks that the Board should follow the SAPFO process.
Using the 105% level of service criterion, the elementary school would not be needed until
2020. She said that there needs some kind of policy regarding pre-K.
Commissioner Jacobs agreed with Commissioner Gordon about pre-K. He suggested
asking staff and the school collaboration group to make a recommendation about incorporating
pre-K.
Commissioner McKee said that if Mebane is not following the SAPFO process, then it is
probably skewing the figures for OCS.
Commissioner Foushee said that the school collaboration group should review this and
bring it back to the Board of County Commissioners.
Commissioner Yuhasz said that development has never been denied because of the
SAPFO and it should not matter if Mebane is not following the SAPFO because the County
would never let things get to this point.
Commissioner Yuhasz said that he wants to look at the costs for the proposed
expansion for Cedar Ridge and for a new elementary school.
Commissioner Jacobs said that he thinks that Mebane's growth is factored into the
SAPFO, but he is not sure about the accuracy. He said that the school collaboration group
should look at this and have a systematic conversation and recommendation on this process.
Clarence Grier said that Orange County would go over the debt service limit in 2014-15
if the funding started in 2013-14.
Frank Clifton said that the key is that the County's budget is not growing and the
economy is not growing.
Paul Laughton went back to the first item - McGowan Creek Outfall. The State has
approved contingently the loan funds for this project. This will be a standalone CIP project and
not part of the Central Efland/North Buckhorn Sewer Expansion Project because of the loan.
Attachment 2 is additional information from Solid Waste Director Gayle Wilson
regarding landfill closure and estimated cost for this of$86,113/year.
Paul Laughton made reference to other possible discussion items:
- Board of Commissioners Meeting Room Space (Whitted Building or elsewhere)
- Environment and Agriculture Center (Planning and Ag Building) — see Attachment 3
(this attachment was presented to the BOCC at the March 1, 2012 budget work
session as an example of costly maintenance projects needed at older County
facilities). As a reminder, this building/project is currently not included in the FY
2012-17 CIP. Construction of a new Environment, Agriculture, Parks and
Recreation building is included beginning in Year 6 within the Blackwood Farm Park
project (page 36 of the CIP document)
- Southwest Branch Library (site search)
- Emergency Services Related Projects (pages 32-35 of the CIP document)
Frank Clifton said that the staff did an analysis of the Whitted Center and they would
gain an additional 50 parking spaces if parking construction were done on the grassy areas.
This would bring the total number of spaces to 220.
Regarding the Link Government Services Center Annex, Frank Clifton said that this is
in a flood plain. Staff will need to research the cost for making this area usable (bringing
electrical up two feet above the flood level, etc.). Flood insurance will be required.
Commissioner Yuhasz asked what this space could be used for if there was no annex.
It was answered that a parking lot could go there, but not a parking structure.
Commissioner Jacobs suggested considering taking out the parking beside the Link
Government Services and putting in a new structure.
Commissioner Jacobs made reference to the Millhouse Road Park and discussion
about a gymnasium through a partnership with the town. There was just a proposal from St.
Paul's to build a gymnasium. He asked if there could be a three-party agreement for a
community gymnasium instead of duplicating a gymnasium a mile away for more money. He
wanted to raise this as an issue.
Commissioner Jacobs made reference to the North East District Park and said that he
would like to see the pre-concept plan for this park.
Department of Environment, Agriculture, Parks and Recreation (DEAPR) Director Dave
Stancil said that he would provide this information to the Board. It is a preliminary plan and not
a master plan.
Commissioner Yuhasz made reference to the Whitted Building and asked if this space
would or would not be acceptable for a meeting room.
Frank Clifton said that the political leadership on both sides needs to discuss this. He
has not had any follow-up conversations about this issue.
Commissioner Gordon said that she believed that there should not be a meeting room
at the Whitted Building because it is a residential area.
Commissioner Jacobs made reference to landfill closure costs and the potential
revenue from the sale of methane gas. He asked if there were any figures for this yet.
Frank Clifton said that he thinks it is a long time before this produces any revenue for
the County.
Commissioner Jacobs said that the southwest library site search is an election topic
and he would like some articulated statement of where the County stands as of now.
Frank Clifton said that it is scheduled for one of the work sessions before the summer
break.
Commissioner Jacobs asked for some recommendations and analysis of the CIP if
elementary #8 will have to be built fairly soon.
CLOSED SESSION
A motion was made by Commissioner Yuhasz, seconded by Commissioner McKee to
adjourn the meeting to closed session at 9:46 PM for the purpose of: per NCGS 143-
318.11(a)(3) to consult with an attorney regarding the ongoing case of Orange County vs. Eno
River Parking Deck.
VOTE: UNANIMOUS
RECONVENE INTO REGULAR SESSION:
A motion was made by Commissioner Foushee, seconded by Commissioner Jacobs to
reconvene into regular session at 10:45 p.m.
VOTE: UNANIMOUS
ADJOURN
A motion was made by Commissioner Foushee, seconded by Commissioner Jacobs to
adjourn the meeting at 10:45 p.m.
VOTE: UNANIMOUS
Bernadette Pelissier, Chair
Donna S. Baker, CMC
Clerk to the Board