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MINUTES
BOARD OF COMMISSIONEERS
WORK SESSION
February 11, 2014
7:00 p.m.
The Orange County Board of Commissioners met for a Budget Work Session on
Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 7:00 p.m. at the Southern Human Services Center in Chapel
Hill, N.C.
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS PRESENT:
Chair Jacobs and Commissioners Mark Dorosin,
Alice M. Gordon, Earl McKee, Bernadette Pelissier, Renee Price and Penny Rich.
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ABSENT:
COUNTY ATTORNEYS PRESENT:
John Roberts
COUNTY STAFF PRESENT:
Assistant County Manager Clarence Grier and Clerk to the
Board Donna Baker (All other staff members will be identified appropriately below)
NOTE: ALL DOCUMENTS REFERRED TO IN THESE MINUTES ARE ON FILE IN THE
PERMANENT AGENDA FILE IN THE CLERK TO THE BOARD’S OFFICE.
Chair Jacobs called the meeting to order.
Chair Jacobs stated that there was one addition to the agenda, which is the Interim
County Manager’s recommendation that the work session on Thursday be postponed due to
potentially inclement weather. This will be discussed later.
1. Potential Bond Issuance Schedule and Timeline for a November 2014 or
November 2015 Bond Referendum
Clarence Grier stated that during the retreat the issue regarding a bond referendum for
November 2014 or November 2015 was discussed. He introduced Bob Jessup, bond council,
who provided two schedules for consideration – one for November 2014 and one for November
2015.
Bob Jessup reviewed the schedules, going through the required steps of the procedure.
He said essentially there are three formal actions and a public hearing, and the process must be
wrapped up in time for the Board of Elections to do their work to get ready for a referendum.
He said the formal process can be accomplished in 60 or 75 days, but it is the part that
will be put into the bond package that often takes the longest time. He said the provided
schedule works on the formal process and it shows that the Board will need to take some of the
formal actions before the summer break. He said Clarence Grier has discussed the timeline
with the Board of Elections, and they will need the final information on the bond question by the
middle of August to make their timeline for preparing the ballots. He said this means getting all
the way through the public hearing before the summer break and then coming back with a mid-
August meeting (which is not currently scheduled) to take any final action if the Board wants to
proceed this November. This is essentially the same issue the Board will face both in
November 2015.
Clarence Grier said the ballot will need to be approved by August 18 and will have to go
out by September 5, 2014 in order to be in compliance with the Federal regulations and meet
the deadline for inclusion on the November ballot.
Chair Jacobs reminded everyone that the Board does not meet between June 17 and
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September 4.
Commissioner Rich asked about the absentee ballots.
Bob Jessup replied that there is a state law standard for absentee ballots, and the Board
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of Elections needs to have the ballots out by September 5.
Clarence Grier said that with the budget and the capital needs work force not yet being
assigned, they do not have the components to make up the bond referendum. He said, weather
permitting, there is a meeting scheduled with both school boards tomorrow to look at their
capital needs assessment. He said the components of the bond have not really been
discussed, and there will hopefully be a new manager soon. This manager will need to deal
with a bond referendum within four months of being hired and this will require his/her full
attention.
James Barrett, CHCCS Board Member, said he thought a spring meeting would be the
best time to bring the approved version of their capital needs plan back to the Commissioners.
Commissioner Dorosin raised the question of how much specificity the Board needs
from the schools for a bond referendum.
Clarence Grier said the Local Government Commission (LGC) requires specification of
what the bonds will be issued for. He said completion of the application will include details,
including what projects the County plans to spend the money on.
Commissioner Dorosin asked if the specificity would be more than “we plan to renovate
dilapidated schools.”
Bob Jessup said the LGC wants to see that the County has a plan that uses up all the
money. He said, if it was for renovation projects and the plan was to issue $1 million dollars in
bonds for school renovations, then the plan would need to indicate that there is $10 million
dollars in need.
Commissioner Pelissier asked how they decide how much money would go on a bond.
Clarence Grier said about $100 million would go on the bond, and that is the upper limit
of what the County can do. He said there is over $125 million in the CIP over the next 5 years.
He said it would be hard to go beyond $100 million with the LGC.
Commissioner Pelissier said this would be determined by what the County could afford
versus the needs.
Clarence Grier said the needs amount would probably exceed the amount the County
could issue debt for. He said it would exceed the operating budget on an annual basis, and that
is a concern. He said $100 million dollars is easily affordable within the current debt policy and
capital plan. He said if it goes beyond that, there would be some concerns from the LGC.
Commissioner McKee said his concern is not whether we need to do a bond, but the
timeframe in which to do it. He said with a $100 million dollar limit (and the school needs are
more than that), the County needs, and the current search for a manager, he is concerned that
things would not be done right if done for 2014.
Bob Jessup said that once you start the formal process, one of the first things that is
done is to publish a notice that you are intending to apply to the LGC for approval. He said this
is where you are setting maximum amounts, and you can refine those amounts down, but you
have to set those parameters.
Commissioner Price asked what this would mean for taxes.
Clarence Grier said if the County had to increase taxes, it would be 3.78 cents in FY
2024, and the budget would have to grow to almost $224 million dollars in order to stay within
the debt policy limit of 15%.
Commissioner Dorosin said he had raised this idea at the retreat of trying to do this in
2014 instead of 2015 because of the huge difference in voter turnout. He questioned if 2014 is
too soon, what the significance would be of waiting until May 2016. He said if one of the goals
is to try to maximize participation, then what are the ramifications of going back six months.
Bob Jessup said there are no ramifications from his perspective. He said they can
choose the dates that suit the Board. He said there is a law now that a random referendum
date can no longer be chosen. He said this now has to be done on an otherwise scheduled
date.
Clarence Grier said that the only fiscal impact he can see is what the interest rate
climate is at that time. He said if you go out six months you have the potential interest rate
going up six months later on. He said, outside of that, you are just pushing back the debt
service and pushing the receipts of the proceeds back six months.
Commissioner McKee asked, if this is pushed back to the primary of 2016 and a need
arises, whether some CIP money could be moved forward or backward.
Clarence Grier said this could be done. He said the Board could address this need by
issuing installment financing, like what was done for Elementary #12. He said there are
different options available. He suggested that the Board would want to get voter approval for
these major projects.
Commissioner McKee said he agrees regarding the need for voter approval. He said in
his perspective, 2014 is a bit rushed, and 2015 has a problem of what else may be on the ballot
in District 2 in the rural part of the county. He said 2015 only has municipal elections; and the
May 2016 time frame is the time frame he would be most favorable to go with in order to have
the most participation.
Commissioner Gordon said she thought they were talking about is 2014 versus 2015.
She thought the Board was going to try to get on the ballot as soon as they could come up with
a reasonable plan. She said she would not want to delay it past November 2015, since some of
these needs are important, such as schools, and affordable housing.
Chair Jacobs suggested that since they are not deciding on anything tonight and since
there is not a great sentiment to do it in November 2014, a task force could be convened with a
plan to move forward as if it this might be on a ballot in November 2015.
He suggested having this group meet and formulate recommendations, and then the
Board can decide whether they want to have it on the ballot on November 2015 or 2016. He
said this does not have to be decided right now. He said part of being transparent is letting that
group discuss it to decide how pressing needs are. He said the school systems, the affordable
housing community, and others can make their case to that group, and then the Board will make
a determination as to what is the highest priority.
Commissioner Price asked how soon a referendum could be put back on the ballot if it
failed in 2015.
Bob Jessup said there is not a strict rule outside of having a discussion with the LGC for
the Board to explain why they want to put it back on the ballot so quickly. He said if the Board
had a compelling reason, then it might be able to be put back in May 2015 or 2016. He said this
may involve doing some scaling back and revising the project.
Commissioner Price said she is skeptical about the November 2015 date because the
turnout is abysmal, but May 2016 sounds good to her.
Commissioner Gordon suggested that they appoint a Capital Needs Advisory Task
Force to get started with trying to craft the bond referendum. She said she would like to see
them agree to appoint a Capital Needs Advisory Task Force and then decide another meeting
time in which to discuss this further.
Clarence Grier said if the Board is not going with the November 2014 date, the meeting
can be at any of the upcoming future BOCC meetings; but if they are going for November 2014,
the meeting would have to be take place around the first part of April.
Commissioner Gordon suggested that the Board tentatively agree to appoint a Capital
Needs Task Force and that they bring this question about the bond referendum and how to
proceed to a meeting in April so that they can make some forward progress on this.
Commissioner Pelissier agreed with Commissioner Gordon.
Commissioner McKee said the April time frame is fine with him if they are looking for
consensus.
Commissioner Rich said she thought Commissioner Gordon and Commissioner Pelissier
were trying to get to the next step. She said that is something they discussed at the retreat -
always leave a work session with the next step set.
Chair Jacobs suggested that this item come back one of their regular agendas. He said
the first step will be to agree on the bond amount. He said the Board needs to get some
information from staff on how the bond task forces worked in the past.
He summarized the following 5 issues in reference to a possible bond referendum:
1) amount, 2) topic areas, 3) time frames, 4) information on how it worked before, and 5) what
groups are interested. He said it would also be good to get input from staff on other issues they
find important.
Commissioner Gordon asked that it be worded “any other parameters that staff deems
important,” and that it include information about forming a Capital Needs Advisory Task Force.
Chair Jacobs added those two additional items to his listing, as well as a request to staff
from the following information on the past task force: who was on it, how it worked, how long it
took, and how often it met.
2.Orange County Parks and Recreation Draft Master Plan 2030
Clarence Grier said that David Stancil, Director of the Department of Environment,
Agriculture, Parks and Recreation (DEAPR) would present this item. He said the last
Parks/Recreation Master Plan was in 1998, and several of the parks that they have now were
purchased with the 1997 – 2001 bond referendum.
David Stancil said tonight would be a sneak preview of the work that has been
happening for the last 18 months. He said a number of different groups had been involved –
two different sets of staff, the Parks and Recreation council and 832 citizens who responded to
their different surveys.
Dave Stancil presented the following PowerPoint:
Why a New Master Plan
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Existing Plan Has Served Well, But Dates to 1988
50% Increase in Population Since 1988
Changes in Community Needs and Interests
Changed Conditions, New Parks, Enhanced Plans
Funding (grant) Agencies Require Newer Plan
Still a Draft Plan
Updating of Maps
Renumbering pages, clean up links
Executive Summary
Appendices
To be Done by PH
Layout of the Draft Master Plan
Review of existing and past plans
Inventory/assessment of facilities (existing/future)
Overview of recreation programs
Driving factors – Demographics, Other
Community Needs Assessment (surveys) – 832
Relationship and ties to 2030 Comprehensive Plan
Economic, health, environmental impacts
Standards, Classifications and Service Areas
20 “Findings”
Goals, Objectives and Recommendations
Summary of Survey Results
832 surveys received
Multiple methods
Random-sample scientific survey
Online survey
Supplemental Targeted
Who Was Surveyed?
31% unincorporated OC
29% Hillsborough
27% Chapel Hill
7% - Carrboro
6% - Mebane
Summary of Survey Results
Most Used Facilities?
Sportsplex – 46%
Central Rec Center – 28%
Little River Park – 19%
Eurosport Soccer Center - 19%
P&R Opportunities, Status
94% said quality opportunities provided
Facilities are safe – 94%
Well-maintained and operated – 90%
Easy to Get to – 86%
Helpful/professional staff - 94%
P&R – Benefits to Community
economic
Parks and Rec programs enhance health – 93%
well-being
Parks and Rec programs enhance physical and mental – 96%
reduce crime
Parks and Rec programs help – 81%
Future Needs
Expand Outdoor Active Recreation – 82%
Expand Outdoor Low-Impact Recreation – 79%
Provide Indoor Athletic Complex – 64%
Expand Trail System – 89%
Most Popular Programs
Youth Soccer
Youth Basketball
Open Gym
Little River Trail Run
Volleyball
Egg Hunt
Halloween Event
Fishing Rodeo
Most-Desired Future Programs
Hiking
Swimming
Walking
Yoga
Biking
Summer Camps
Gardening
Tennis
Dog Obedience Classes
Afterschool
Desired Future Facilities
Walking/Hiking Trails
Nature Trails
Swimming Pool
Greenways
Water Parks
Amphitheatre
Indoor Athletic Center
Nature Center
Playgrounds
Tennis Courts
Methods of Financing
Private/Corporate Donations – 95%
State and Federal Grants – 94%
Existing Local Taxes (non-property) – 73%
Voter-Approved Bonds – 70%
Existing Local Property Tax – 70%
User fees – 68%
Increasing Local Taxes (non-property) – 34%
Focus Groups
Discuss in More Detail Specific Topics with Stakeholders
Held February – July 2013
Facilitated Discussion of Key Issues, Interests
Soccer Facilities
Trails and Connectivity
Public Health and P&R
Park Facility Needs
Recreation Programs
Nature & Environmental Programs
County/Town Coordination
Sportsplex
The Standards Dilemma
Use of National Standards Waning
Focus Now on “Community Based Standards”
However, Population Standards Still Good “Benchmark”
Types of Park Needs in Counties is Different
Surveys and Other Documents Provide Basis for Standards – But Use
Population-Based for Double-Check
Summary of Findings
Drawn from
Survey Responses and Interests
Focus Groups
Actions of the Last 15 Years
Goals and Objectives
Draft RECOMMENDATIONS
In Keeping with the Adopted 2030 Goals and Objectives
1. Protect/Enhance Investment in Current Parks
2. Build Planned Future Parks
3. Complete Nature Preserves / Trails
4. Structure for Multi-Partner Facility Investments
5. Create Plan for MST & Work Toward Completion
6. Build More Trails, Connect Open Spaces
7. Improve Park Access, Healthy Lifestyles Design
8. Address Programs in Areas of Identified Need, Look for Partnerships
9. Examine the Role of Community Centers
Issues for Further Study
Desired Level of Service?
Payment-in-Lieu System
Sportsplex and County Programs
Need for Public Pool?
Role of Community Centers
5-Year / 10-Year Updates
Artificial Turf Playing Fields
Planned Next Steps
Receive Board Feedback and Comment
Hold Final Open House for Public Q&A
Public Hearing
Advisory Board Review (additional surveys?)
P&R Council Recommendation
BOCC Consideration
David Stancil said staff is interested in the Board’s thoughts regarding the study. He
said they would like to get that information back as soon as possible; revise the plan; hold an
open house; and invite the people who participated to come in and engage with staff about the
master plan. He said the process would then be to hold a public hearing, take it out to the
advisory boards for additional review and comments, possibly get some additional surveys
completed, receive their Parks and Recreation Council recommendations and then bring it back
to the Board.
Commissioner Price asked about socio-economic data on programs.
David Stancil said that information is available, but he does not have it with him tonight.
He said they do provide a lot of subsidies in their programs.
Commissioner Pelissier asked what the next steps would be. She said that on the one
hand, the Sportsplex and the Central Recreation Center are highly used, and then there is the
whole thread of people wanting hiking and nature trails. She said she is not sure what the
public really wants. She questioned whether the public is looking to the County for these
provisions because there are other trails like Duke Forest, Eno River, and Occoneechee, in
addition to county and town parks. She said it is hard to interpret some of the results.
David Stancil said there are a number of survey results that raise more questions than
answers. He said he does not see the county proposing to ad hoc build something that is
proposed in this. He said all of this information will need more analysis. He said as they finalize
some of the nature preserves, there may be opportunities to build a couple of miles of trails.
Commissioner Price asked about the information regarding the percentage of population
that makes up to the towns.
David Stancil said his recollection is that it is more than 39%, and the number listed is a
clerical error that will be fixed.
Commissioner Dorosin said he is skeptical of the high numbers of support for passive
recreation. He said he thought the survey generally skews towards adults. He wanted to know if
there had been any contact with the school systems and the programs that they offer. He asked
if staff has looked at the County’s own recreational programs, with regard to the number of
people that are turned away or over capacity. He said he felt like that inconsistency is a real
one, and he thought that part of it is built into who takes part in these surveys.
Chair Jacobs said he has a different take on that issue, and he would not call it passive
recreation but low impact. He said one thing that is missing is how to determine the priorities.
Commissioner Rich said she wanted to add something to Commissioner Dorosin's
comment. She said they have an Intergovernmental Parks Work Group with elected officials
from the schools, towns, and members from OWASA. She said they often talk about different
programs, specifically sharing of facilities. She said she is not sure if some of the outreach is
coming from that committee as well.
David Stancil said that staff did make a presentation at one of the IP work group
meetings.
Commissioner Rich said she appreciated the report, but that there is a lot of information
to digest, and she would like more time to review it.
Commissioner Gordon agreed it is a great report, and she would like more time to review
it as well. She would like to have a time frame to comment and submit changes.
Commissioner Gordon said she did like the way the report was presented. She does not
think it is inconsistent for the public to like the Sportsplex, the Central Recreation Center and
also to say that they like hiking trails. She said she does not know how that translates into
priorities, but it seems to her that both are valid.
Commissioner Rich said she would like the proposed parks tour to be re-scheduled.
David Stancil said that they would do this.
Commissioner Jacobs said he missed the executive summary. He said one of the things
that Dave Stancil said was that some things are ready to move forward, but there are no plans.
He said there are plans for the Northeast Park and the Blackwood Park, but there is no direction
right now.
Chair Jacobs said he thought staff should hire the payment in lieu consultants as quickly
as possible. He said the whole issue is that this was mostly put into abeyance until the County
had an adopted park plan. He said this has been in abeyance almost as long as he has been a
Commissioner, so the direction he is proposing is to move forward with the Bingham Township
Park, which was a campaign promise of then-Commissioner Foushee when she ran for office in
2004.
He said the County owns a portion of the Greene Tract that was set aside as a natural
area, and he never saw it mentioned in any of their plans. He thought this should fit into their
plans somewhere.
Commissioner Jacobs said the issue of schools is also a complicated issue, partially
because of issues regarding sharing facilities. He said this is a debate that has been on-going
since he has been a Commissioner. He said the person making the decision is usually the
Athletic Director at the school. He said a better mechanism is needed to make facilities more
accessible, even if this means the County puts in extra money to help administer the use. He
said it is also important to be sensitive to the needs of the schools.
Commissioner Dorosin said he thought they needed to coordinate with the schools in
trying to provide for recreation. He said he thinks it is great to get input from the school systems
to incorporate in the plan.
Commissioner Dorosin said he thought the priorities should be developing the parks the
County already has, rather than acquiring new ones. He said the priority should be in turning
gifts (public resources which belong to the people) into something the public can access and
utilize. He said the first priority should be updating the plans that are in place for these parks, or
finalizing them and then implementing them.
David Stancil said that in a way there is a default priority system, and that is the timing
and sequencing in the CIP. He said these are projects in the CIP, and they are scheduled and
staggered in different ways.
Commissioner Gordon said that she is not sure that this report meshes with the CIP and
she questioned whether the Board should be looking at their CIP regarding phasing in the
existing land that the County owns. She said it is important to reassess based on some of the
feedback.
David Stancil said the report does mesh and should mesh with the adopted CIP pretty
well. He said there is not a sequence in the plan, although there is a sequence to the way it is
laid out in the CIP. He said one of staff’s expectations is that this document will give the Board
a framework as they look at the CIP later this spring to make some of those decisions.
Chair Jacobs said what he has heard that the Commissioners need more information on
the following:
Socio-economic data on usage
subsidies
Deadline for comments about priorities
Coordinating and soliciting comments from the school system as to what they
regard as priorities
information about how the plan meshes with the CIP
payment in lieu of consultant.
He suggested that staff let the Board review a draft of at least the executive summary
and the responses to the Commissioners’ concerns, even if it is an informational item, before it
goes to public hearing so that they have a sense of what direction they are going.
David Stancil suggested submitting Board comments back to him no later than March
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3. Tower Study
Clarence Grier said there have been coverage issues in the past. He noted that there is
$2.5 million in the CIP through 2019 for these towers.
Jim Groves said the tower study incorporated the VIPER radio system coverage, as well
as the County volunteer fire department VHF paging system. He gave a briefing on study and
reviewed the following PowerPoint slides:
Radio Communication tower and system infrastructure upgrade
February 11, 2014
Please refer to the maps in your packets for better location and coverage detail
Background
-Project kicked off January, 2013
-Development Steps:
Needs assessment with stakeholders
Research
Infrastructure upgrade recommendations
Maps and graphics
Draft report
Final report
-Project completed September, 2013
What is VIPER?
-Voice Interoperability Plan for Emergency Responders (VIPER)
-Trunked 800 MHz Radio System
-State owned and operated
Originally developed for the Highway Patrol
Centerline of road
Building penetration not really considered
What is VIPER? (cont.)
-Orange County system is an unbalanced system
5 channel (frequency pair) on some towers
8 channel (frequency pair) on others
-This can create busy “bonks” where users cannot communicate
- VIPER towers located at:
Eno Mountain – Hillsborough
Water tower - UNC Chapel Hill
Laws – Northern border of Orange/Caswell
Chatham Mountain – Southern border of Orange
Mebane (new) – City of Mebane
Map Legend
GREEN = GOOD
YELLOW = FAIR
RED = MARGINAL
GRAY = NO COVERAGE
The maps presented in the report are software models that are representative of actual real
world coverage
Current viper “talk-in” MAP
Proposed New Tower Sites
-Five (5) additional sites were selected to improve VIPER coverage within Orange County
-Three (3) sites are existing, two (2) would require new construction
-Number of towers was based on less than <200 ft. tower height
Increasing tower height would require less tower sites
Proposed New Tower Sites (cont.)
-Existing Towers
-Northeast – Caldwell – existing guyed tower
7444 Bill Poole Road – AT&T Wireless
-South-central – Chapel Hill – existing monopole
1403 New Hope Trace – GTE Wireless
Southwest – Chapel Hill – existing monopole
4900 NC 54 West – SBA
Proposed New Tower Sites (cont.)
-New Construction
-Central – Hillsborough – New
Walnut Grove Church Rd. – ATC site
-Southeast – Chapel Hill – New
Near University Mall
Potential to move existing site from Cole Mill Rd. in Durham
New “talk-in” – Portable Radio map
Tower Site Considerations
-Orange County Planning & Inspections advises that four (4) cell providers have made
application to build towers…these new sites must also be considered before a decision is
made
-Modifications to the Chatham Mountain site may also help
Reduce antenna from 962 ft. down to 600 ft.
Less signal loss, may be able to turn up power
VHF
-Very High Frequency (VHF) is used to alert Fire Department and EMS pagers
800MHz technology does not support pagers without incurring significant costs
-VHF and Ultra High Frequency (UHF) are used as radio back-up if VIPER fails
We used these back up frequencies for a real world event several weeks ago
Existing VHF Tower Sites
Utilize the same towers as VIPER
Eno Mountain
Chatham Mountain
Proposed VHF paging sites
-Two (2) additional VHF paging sites were selected to improve coverage within the County
Northern – Cedar Grove Fire Station
720 Hawkins Road – Existing Tower
Southwest – Orange Grove Fire Station
6800 Orange Grove Road – Requires new tower
Proposed VHF Sites MAP
Proposed VHF Sites MAP
Recap
Five (5) tower sites recommended for VIPER coverage
4 existing towers
1 new tower
Two (2) tower sites recommended for VHF paging coverage
One (1) new tower site
One (1) existing tower site
Cost Example
Co-location cost example (GTE Wireless)
$1,000 credit application fee
$2,000 structural analysis
$2,000 inspection fee (if construction installation fee is waived)
$1,500 Closeout documentation fee
Total set up - $6,500 one time cost
$2,500 rental fee, per month with 5 year term
Four (4) automatic renewal 5 year terms at 3% escalation
Total rent $30,000 / yr. per tower site
Orange County should negotiate these costs
Outcome
- BOCC comments / feedback
- Tower funding in March, 2014 CIP
- Radio Tower/Infrastructure Report approval by BOCC
Jim Groves reviewed the maps and said a lot of the issues with coverage are due to
terrain and the original design of the system. He referred to the map titled New “talk-in” –
Portable Radio, and he noted the concentric circles, which mark the site of the Chatham tower
site. He said this indicates a shadow effect, and it indicates bad coverage. He said there is
discussion and study regarding moving the tower antennae down to a lower height to fix this
issue.
Chair Jacobs asked if there is a number assigned to the percentage of expected
improvement in coverage associated with the recommended changes.
Jim Groves said he does not have that information.
Chair Jacobs asked that this be provided to Board of County Commissioners if it
becomes available in the future.
Commissioner McKee asked for clarification about the tower height for the VHF sites.
Jim Groves said if you raise the tower height here the coverage will improve.
Commissioner McKee asked if the Cedar Grove and Orange Grove towers would be
appropriate for increasing height.
Jim Groves said these two sites were set up at less than 200 feet.
Chair Jacobs said, at the time that tower height regulations were set, there was concern
about bird kills with taller towers.
Commissioner Rich asked about the decreased antennae height referenced earlier.
Jim Groves said the Chatham Mountain antenna is almost at 1,000 feet, and it will be
moved down to about 600 feet. He said these two towers are 200 feet or less.
Commissioner Rich asked if this height is sufficient.
Jim Groves said it can work. He said if there could be a 400 foot tower site, it might
bring the need down to 2 or 3 towers instead of 5.
Commissioner McKee said there had also been discussion about co-locating for better
internet connectivity.
Jim Groves said it may not be worth the money to add the towers.
Jim Groves reviewed the costs for renting a tower, and he said another option would be
for the County to build a tower and rent it.
Commissioner Rich asked how much it costs to build a tower.
Jim Groves said it depends on the type of tower, but the amount would be between
$350,000 and $750,000. He said the VIPER equipment would put it close to $1 million.
Commissioner McKee there had been a mention of looking into the 700 mhz service.
Jim Groves said there have been some good conversations with Durham and other
partners about this, and the concern was to make sure there would be good interoperability. He
said there has been agreement to allow this. He said the FCC has to provide frequencies for
these tower sites. He said there are about 40 different frequencies, and it would be possible to
build a simulcast system. He said this means that all of the towers could transmit at the same
time, which would help improve coverage. He said only 20 of the 40 frequencies would be
needed to make this work, which would mean 15 frequencies could potentially be dedicated to
emergency services. He said 5 could be designated for non-public safety uses, such as
schools and public transit, and these could be borrowed by emergency services if a need arises.
He said, in theory, it seems like this would be a good system, and the County has a decision to
make about what direction to go. He said this system could be built for about one-third of the
cost.
Chair Jacobs asked if staff will come back with a recommended proposal.
Jim Groves said he will be happy to put this together.
Chair Jacobs said it sounds like that the 700 mhz system would be preferred by most of
the people working in emergency services. He said it would be nice to know what this would
cost and to see it flushed out for further consideration.
Jim Groves said this current study is just to show how coverage can be improved, but it
has nothing to do with building a County system or a simulcast system. He said the point is that
there is an existing coverage problem, and this plan will need to be implemented in some shape
or form to improve that.
Commissioner Price asked about the timeline.
Chair Jacobs said this was supposed to come back in March for the 800 mhz. He said it
would be up to staff to determine the timing.
Jim Groves said it would take a couple of months for him to put a decent proposal
together.
Commissioner Pelissier referred to a previous discussion of the First Net system. She
asked how this will fit in.
Jim Groves said N.C. probably will not see this until 2016-17, and he said First Net is
just a public safety broadband that is built in partnership with private communities. He said this
is a little more of a robust system, but there will be a subscriber fee to use it. He said it will give
private companies incentive to build a tower. He said the VIPER system is a good play on
getting ahead of this curve by helping provide more control of the system.
Commissioner Gordon asked for an explanation of what will come back in March.
Jim Groves said the current CIP has staggered amounts of half a million dollars each.
He said any changes, such as building our own towers, would require modification.
Commissioner Gordon asked if the future proposal that will be flushed out will mean
additions to the CIP.
Jim Groves said yes.
Commissioner Gordon asked if this is the only item that will be brought back.
Jim Groves said the proposal will provide two different options, along with the associated
costs and timing, and it will be the Board’s decision.
Commissioner Gordon said it would be great to have the pros and cons of each
proposal.
Chair Jacobs said the Board will see the 800 mhz option in their CIP discussion in
March, and then there will be a presentation in two months regarding the various permutations
and the possibility of the 700mhz systems.
Jim Groves said this is correct.
Chair Jacobs asked if there is any possibility of using the phone fee for the 700 mhz or
to have the municipalities attributed to the system.
Jim Groves said Chapel Hill and Carrboro are interested in partnerships.
Chair Jacobs asked if this information regarding partnerships could be included in the
future discussions.
4. Draft Emergency Services Strategic Plan
Clarence Grier said this is more of an operational strategic plan than a capital strategic
plan.
Jim Groves said this plan was developed to provide some stability in the organization
and to set a professional path for where things need to be.
Jim Groves said this was developed with leadership, employees, and subject matter
experts from other organizations, the university, and state emergency management.
He said two of the big issues that were identified were: lack of communication between
and among divisions, and poor work/life balance (too much overtime).
Jim Groves said a big focus was to concentrate on the goals included in the Board of
County Commissioners’ plan and to lend good customer support and community support to
Orange County.
He said the vision statement is “A Prepared, Coordinated, and Integrated Emergency
Services System.” He said each division developed a mission statement in support of that
vision. He noted that the graphics on page 7 include the words heard in the study, and the big
words are the big concerns.
He said, within the plan there are strategic goals and objectives, as well as the
approach. He said this has also been taken down the task level, although that has not been
included in the plan.
Jim Groves said there is a lot of community support included, as well as employee
support and stability to make the organization more resilient.
He said within the organization, there are a lot of single points of failure, and those
points can be technology, or people who have no backup. He said there is a goal of building
institutional knowledge within the organization, so that if someone leaves, things can continue to
move forward.
Jim Groves said the last part the plan is the ETHOS, which is what drives the strategic
plan and the organization. He said this shows the core values and principles. He said the new
culture is to build, coach, and mentor employees.
Jim Groves said the implementation will be tracked with charts that show milestones and
timelines. He said this will allow progress to be clearly seen. He said this will be reviewed
annually and modified every 5 years to keep it from being stagnant. He said if the Board of
County Commissioners has any feedback on this draft plan, he is happy to incorporate it.
Chair Jacobs expressed appreciation for the work that was put into the creation of this
plan.
Commissioner Price said she was really impressed with this plan.
Commissioner McKee said this is the mission critical component of Orange County
government. He appreciates the work has been done, and the feedback he has heard has been
very positive.
Commissioner Dorosin said some of these critical issues highlighted on page 4 are likely
challenges for emergency organizations everywhere, and maybe there are models out there
that can be used as best practice examples. He said it would be good to know practices that
are already in place.
Commissioner Dorosin said there are 5 divisions in the organization, and it seems that
the issues identified may be different in some divisions than in others. He said it would be
interesting to hear where the priorities lie.
Commissioner Dorosin said this is an incredible effort, but this is very much an internally
focused document. He said he is curious to know how challenges, like staffing, impact the
ability to provide external services or how those services are received.
Commissioner Pelissier said she liked the section on the ETHOS, and she feels this
should pertain to all County employees. She said it is great to see that the plan is being
developed by all staff members and not just the leadership team.
Commissioner Pelissier said there is a tendency to complain about communication in
most bureaucracies, and she wonders if the communication issues have actually been clearly
identified.
Jim Groves said mid line supervision and operations managers sometimes do not have
clear direction. He said policies are sometimes implemented 4 different ways. He said the goal
now is to provide more direction on intent and procedure.
Jim Groves said there are two different floors in their facility and there is a perception of
the top floor as a “palace.” He said one step being taken to address this is to have a Monday
morning meeting to discuss what is happening in all of the divisions.
Chair Jacobs referred to Commissioner Dorosin’s question and said there is a
comprehensive assessment of the EMS and 911 recommendations.
Commissioner McKee said the same “palace” perception was present with the fire
department, and he encouraged staff to discuss how this was addressed.
Commissioner Gordon asked about page 16 and the issue of hazardous materials
traveling though the County. She asked about the use of the term “commodities.”
Jim Groves said the Department of Transportation (DOT) marks trucks with one of nine
different hazardous material classes. He said the flow study is critical in helping the County
prepare for a potential response.
Commissioner Gordon asked if these trucks travel only on interstates or also on
highways.
Jim Groves said these vehicles travel mostly on the interstate. He said most are caught
when they are coming or going. He said gathering this information is helpful.
Commissioner Gordon referred to the Fire Marshal division goals and objectives. She
asked what is being done toward the goal of sustaining strong partnerships.
Jim Groves said the fire marshal’s staff is up to three people now. He said these staff
members are out at the fires working with the fire marshals, and this allows them to know the
origins of the fires. He said staff will also meet with community groups and schools. He said
schools are given safety inspections before they open for the year.
He said there are also community emergency response teams who are being taught and
trained to help within their communities until first responders arrive.
Commissioner Gordon asked how staff interfaces with the big fire agencies in North
Chatham County.
Jim Groves said the best way to interface is by phone or occasional face to face visits.
Commissioner Gordon asked if the fire consultations and reviews mentioned earlier are
done with North Chatham too.
Jim Groves said North Chatham has their own fire marshal to handle fires in Chatham
County.
Commissioner McKee referred to the comments regarding commodities going through
Orange County. He noted that all the fire departments are trained in hazardous materials
response.
Commissioner Rich asked if nuclear materials go through Orange County.
Jim Groves said he does not know, but he would not be surprised if it did.
Commissioner Rich said this is an internal plan. She asked how many employees are
under Jim Groves’ purview.
Jim Groves said there are about 120 employees.
Commissioner Rich asked how often the work plan template is done with this many
employees.
Jim Groves said with this plan, some employees do not want to be engaged in the plan,
and that is fine. He said the goal is to find people who are not actively training or on call and
can be engaged to help implement this. He said operations manager will be tasked with
gathering updates on the goals and objectives. He said monthly updates will be given to see
how this is working.
Chair Jacobs said he is surprised that the weigh station does not keep track of the
hazardous material.
Jim Groves said the weigh stations are more concerned with enforcement of safety
issues such as tires, breaks, and drivers’ schedules. He said consultants and staff could work
on this, and the weigh station is a great place to do it.
Chair Jacobs referred to page 14, regarding the training for external customers. He
asked if there is a better way to say this, and he asked if these are the other partner entities.
Jim Groves said this includes the volunteer and town fire departments. He said one of
the goals is to partner with stakeholders to have a County training calendar that incorporates all
of the towns.
Chair Jacobs suggested using the term stakeholder instead of external customer.
Chair Jacobs noted that Commissioner Dorosin has requested more information on the
following three items: 1) work/life balance and how other organizations are having success
addressing this issue; 2) where the priorities lie in the document; and 3) how internal challenges
are reflected in service delivery.
He also noted that the Board would like more information on the issue of hazardous
materials.
5. County Commissioners – Boards and Commissions Assignments
2014
The following charts reflect the final selections for for boards and commissions:
BOARD NAME BOCC
SELECTION
STATUTORY
ABC Board Commissioner
Dorosin
Board of Health Commissioner
Pelissier - Member
Board of Social Commissioner
ServicesMcKee– Member
Citizen-Already
appointed
Community Oversight Commissioner
Board (part of OPC McKee
Community Operations
Center)
INTERGOVERNMENT-
AL and OTHER
GROUPS WITH BOCC
MEMBERS
Burlington/Graham Chair Jacobs-
MPO Transportation Member
Advisory Committee
Commissioner
McKee - Alternate
Communities in Schools Commissioner
Dorosin
Community Home Trust Penny Rich-
BODMember
Durham-Chapel Hill-Commissioner
Carrboro-Metropolitan Gordon -Member
Planning Organization
(MPO)- Transportation
Commissioner
Advisory Committee
Pelissier -Alternate
Durham/Chapel Commissioner
Hill/Orange Work Group Rich
Commissioner
Gordon
Durham Tech Board of Commissioner
TrusteesPrice – Member
Citizen already
appointed
Fire Chief’s Association Commissioner
of Orange County McKee
Healthy Carolinians Commissioner
Dorosin
HOME Program Review Commissioner
CommitteePrice
Intergovernmental Commissioner
Parks Work GroupGordon-member
Chair Jacobs -
alternate
Commissioner
Price and
Legislative Issues Work
Group Commissioner
McKee (2014)
Orange County Commissioner
Partnership for Young Dorosin - Member
Children
Research Triangle Commissioner
Regional Partnership Price - Member
(RTRP)
Ten Year Plan to End Commissioner
Homelessness Pelissier
Executive Team
Triangle J Council of Chair Jacobs-
GovernmentsMember
Commissioner
Rich- Alternate
Triangle Area Rural Commissioner
Planning Organization Price –Member
(TARPO) Transportation (Vice Chair)
Advisory CommitteeCommissioner
Pelissier -Alternate
Triangle Transit Board Commissioner
of TrusteesPelissier -
Treasurer
Triangle Transit Special Commissioner
Tax BoardGordon –
Treasurer
and
Commissioner
Chair
Pelissier-
Workforce Development Nancy Coston –
Board – Regional DSS Director
Partnership
Visitor’s Bureau Commissioner
Rich – Member-
Finance Officer
BOARDS TO WHICH
BOCC HAS ALREADY
MADE
APPOINTMENTS
NACo Voting Delegate Commissioner
Rich
NCACC Voting Commissioner
Delegate
Pelissier
SHORT TERM TASK FORCES/WORKGROUPS
Alternatives to Jail 2 Commissioners Chair Jacobs and
Assessment Work Group
Commissioner
Pelissier
Cedar Grove Advisory Meets as needed 2 Commissioners Chair Jacobs and
Board Meeting
Commissioner Price
EX-OFFICIO
Hillsborough/Orange County Chamber of Commerce- does not Chair Serves
require a Commissioner
NC DOT Quarterly Meetings Chair/Vice Chair
School Collaboration Meetings Chair/Vice Chair
OFFICERS
NCACC Board of Directors Commissioner Price
Triangle Transit Special Tax Board Commissioner Pelissier Chair and Commissioner
Gordon – Treasurer
Triangle Transit Board of Trustees Commissioner Pelissier – Treasurer
Visitor’s Bureau Commissioner Rich – Finance Officer
Boards to be decided on/chosen at future work session
JOCCA- need to decide Meets Quarterly in 1 Commissioner Commissioner Price
whether to continue Pittsboro at 5:30pm - Or
participationCitizen
Small Business Loan Meets as needed 1 Commissioner Commissioner McKee
Programwhen a thoroughly (appointed 2/2013)
vetted application
has been received.
JCPC (Orange County 1 Commissioner Commissioner Pelissier
Juvenile Crime Prevention (appointed June 2013)
Council)
UNRBA(Upper Neuse River By-Laws state that “The Pam Hemminger – Chair
Basin Association)number of Directors was appointed as a
constituting the Board of citizen in November
Directors shall be one (1) 2012
per full voting entity, with
one (l) alternate per full
Alternate- Staff member
voting entity in case of the
Tom Davis
Director’s absence
Boards – Not Meeting at this time
Efland Mebane Small Not meeting at 1 Commissioner
Area Plan this time. Has
Implementation Focus not been
Groupdisbanded
Historic Rogers Road INACTIVE AT 2 Commissioners
Task ForceTHIS TIME
Hollow Rock Park Not meeting at 2 Commissioners Commissioner
this time-
Planning CommitteeGordon (2/11/14)
Per
conversation
with Dave
Stancil on
2/12—He said
waiting on
Pickett Road
resolution but no
idea when that
will come. But
grant received
so activity will
pick up in late
2014. That might
trigger
reconvening
group - not sure.
If we pull our
reps, not sure
what Durham
would do. Maybe
answer will be in
new inter local to
be developed
later this spring.
I'd suggest
leaving on listing
until then.
Housing Bond Status: this is
now defunct
Program-Project
and can be
Review & Selection
removed per
Committee
Tara Fikes
Library Services Task Not meeting at 2 Commissioners Chair Jacobs –
this time
ForceMember (2/11/14)
Has not been
disbanded
Commissioner Rich
– Member (2/11/14)
Solid Waste Meets as 1 Commissioner Suspended Until
further direction
Management Plan needed
Work Group
Solid Waste Interlocal To be re-
Agreement – Elected constituted at a
Leaders Work Grouplater date
Future selection policy issues to be decided:
1. Do officer positions get pre-empted from being part of annual selection process for
boards and commissions?
2. Are member positions/terms, set by other intergovernmental boards/commissions, pre-
empted from our selection process?
A motion was made by Commissioner Rich, seconded by Commissioner Dorosin to
adjourn the meeting at 10:11pm.
VOTE: UNANIMOUS
Barry Jacobs, Chair
Donna Baker, Clerk to the Board