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MINUTES
ORANGE COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS
ORANGE COUNTY PLANNING BOARD
Dinner Meeting
November 23, 2009
5:30 p.m.
The Orange County Board of Commissioners and the Orange County Planning Board
met for a dinner meeting on Monday, November 23, 2009 at 5:30 p.m. at the Link Government
Services Center in Hillsborough, NC
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS PRESENT: Chair Valerie P. Foushee, and Commissioners
Alice M. Gordon, Barry Jacobs, Pam Hemminger, Mike Nelson, Bernadette Pelissier, and Steve
Yuhasz
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ABSENT:
COUNTY ATTORNEY PRESENT: John Roberts
COUNTY STAFF PRESENT: County Manager Frank Clifton and Clerk to the Board
Donna S. Baker(All other staff members will be identified appropriately below)
PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT: Chair Brian L. Crawford, May Becker,
Pete Hallenbeck, Rachel Phelps Hawkins, Tommy McNeill, Earl McKee, Mark Marcoplos,
Jeffrey L. Schmitt, Judith Wegner and Larry Wright
PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS ABSENT: Samantha Cabe, Mary Bobbit-Cook
I. Introductions and Opening Comments
Valerie Foushee, BOCC Chair
Brian Crawford, PB Chair
Introductions were made.
II. Developing and Prioritizing 2030 Comprehensive Plan Implementation Strategies
Planning Director Craig Benedict said that the County Commissioners have been
focusing on the goals and objectives. With the recent update to the Comprehensive Plan, it
provided a laundry list of objectives that are of interest to move the County forward. He said
that, in the interest of trying to prioritize these goals, the Planning Board needs to know the
Board of County Commissioners' priorities. He said that if there is a joint interest between the
Planning Board and other boards and they work together with their associated advisory boards,
then maybe there can be a comprehensive list at the end of each year and the Board could pick
10 of these.
Brian Crawford said that the Planning Board is interested in narrowing down their focus
and what the Board of County Commissioners wants the Planning Board to do this year. He
said that the small area plans are a priority for the planning board but may be different for the
Board of County Commissioners. He said they want to give feedback about staffing
considerations for planning on these issues.
Commissioner Yuhasz said that he thinks that the things that should be focused on
should include the Unified Development Ordinance, how to implement all of the small area plans
that have been adopted, anything and everything that has to do with economic development.
There may need to be some new planning constructs created to allow implementation.
Commissioner Pelissier agreed with Commissioner Yuhasz and said that the economic
development issue may require some coordination with other advisory boards.
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Commissioner Gordon recommended that the Planning Board review the
Commissioners' goals and priorities that were recently adopted. She said that there are goals
related specifically to planning and economic development. She commended these goals to the
Planning Board. She said that some Planning staff has retired and these positions will not be
filled for now, so the resources and dollars will have to be stretched.
Regarding specific things, Commissioner Gordon said that transportation is related to
economic development, the environment, and other things that are important to the Board of
County Commissioners.
Chair Foushee added that it might be such that there might be an expectation of this
Board that the Board of County Commissioners will prioritize the goals but it has not at this
point.
Jeffrey Schmitt said that the Planning Board has not seen the Board of Commissioners'
goals yet and asked if they are different from the Comprehensive Plan. Chair Foushee said that
they are aligned with the Comprehensive Plan.
Jeffrey Schmitt said that with the difficulty with the funding this year and next, then
working on economic development and the Comprehensive Plan will go a long way to let the
citizens know what the Board is trying to do to augment the County's revenue stream.
Frank Clifton said that Orange County has been in the forefront of developing many
planning guidelines to avoid development in this County. He said that now the County needs to
develop guidelines that encourage development in Orange County. He said that the permitting
process could be changed to lessen the time it may ordinarily take to get through the process of
development.
Jeffrey Schmitt agreed with Frank Clifton on changing the permitting process.
Discussion ensued about changing regulations.
Earl McKee said that the Board needs to keep in mind that the Planning Board is an
advisory board and they make recommendations and it all falls back onto the Board of County
Commissioners. He said they were shown the work schedule for the Planning staff and they do
not know any way that staff can do the work that is needed to be done with the resources they
have. He said that the Board of County Commissioners needs to prioritize.
Mark Marcoplos said that the most interesting meeting he attended was when they
looked at a small area plan and the rural communities do not want a lot in the rural areas. He
said that everyone wants the regulations to be lax until it comes to their community.
Larry Wright supported what Earl McKee said and he remembered a Board of County
Commissioners meeting and how Craig Benedict tried to tell the Board that they needed to
prioritize, and he remembered Commissioner Gordon trying to make some order out of that.
What ultimately happened is that the Board of County Commissioners loaded the Planning staff
up with more work. He said that staff cannot work 80 hours a week and do a good job. He said
that Commissioner Gordon said today that they need to think about transportation. What brings
back the most money are the small businesses. He said that the County needs to think about
its small area plans and transportation and make them multi-use.
Brian Crawford said that he thinks he hears that they need to figure out how to make the
development process easier for small businesses. He said that this is also about job growth.
Earl McKee said that the County does not need to focus on any one type of business,
but the atmosphere and the regulations should be as reasonable as possible.
Commissioner Gordon spoke about the County building on its assets with respect to
economic development and said that the Board discussed this at the retreat. The County needs
to find a way to attract the businesses that it wants.
Commissioner Yuhasz said that while there may be some difficulties that may arise,
there are structural issues that the Board of County Commissioners can move forward on and
the County Commissioners need to do their part also. He said that in a lot of ways the Planning
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Board is closer to planning issues than the Board of County Commissioners and the Planning
Board can bring these issues to the Board of County Commissioners' attention.
Frank Clifton said that Craig Benedict has been working on a reorganization plan for the
Planning staff that is forthcoming. He said that they want quality people, which are hard to find.
The staff then has to be educated on the history and the regulations.
Rachel Phelps Hawkins said that there is still the Shaping Orange County's Future
document and a lot of these things are still viable. The Board of County Commissioners never
adopted this document.
Mark Marcoplos asked about the revolving loan money and Commissioner Nelson said
that this has been around for many years, and the first monies were dispersed this year.
III. Closing Comments
IV. Adjourn
With no further items to discuss, the meeting was adjourned at 6:58PM.
Valerie Foushee, Chair
Donna S. Baker, CMC
Clerk to the Board